the Illuminati

woah there!
There's one thing with the Illuminati and conspiracy theories and another with states having foreign policies and covert action to support that.

Nobody doubts that Bush and cronies wanted a compliant Iran and Iraq that they could continue to get cheap oil from. That is a foreign policy objective. Or that they will seek to make that happen.

It's another huge leap to go from that to a secret organisation above and beyond governments which orchestrates the policies of the UK and US and Russia,China and Latin America and the EU and commits acts of mass terrorism and has the president of the USA as a member and is intent on controlling the world for it's own ends (which are??????)

That the world is run by and for the rich and powerful is blatantly obvious but they don't need a conspiracy to do it and they don't need to blow up the twin towers either.
They just operate in their own self interest. It works for them because they are rich and are interested in having power. When you are rich you can buy influence with governments, you can do it quite openly. look at Rupert Murdoch. He doesn't have to be part of a conspiracy to be powerful, he just owns enough of the media to give him clout.
Most of the people at his level are ego-maniacs who couldn't bear to be part of any organisation which is not solely run by them.

As far as Iran goes it is a country with deep divisions between an older, conservative, religious, rural population, and a younger, more liberal,secular, freedom seeking, urban population. The lid has been kept tightly pressed down on that situation for years and at the first opportunity (like this election) it will boil over.

I would expect foreign powers to take whatever advantage they can from the situation and to exploit it to their own advantage wherever they get a chance. That has always been the way of the world.
It does not mean some supra-national organisation has orchestrated it.

It seems to me that conspiracy theories answer a deep seated need among people to impose some order on the chaos of the world around us. It's like religion in that sense.
People instinctively need to have a reason for things happening that is simple to understand. A big conspiracy fits that need. It tidies up all the messy randomness and makes the world intelligible.
Sadly, like religion, it's bollox.

nail on the head. for some reason, some people feel there has to be some sort of 'higher power' guiding events and making sense of things, it gives them comfort.

I disagree.

A conspiracy means to join in a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act or to use such means to accomplish a lawful end.

Theory broken down is a speculation, hypothesis or sometimes scientific. The term is also used to describe some of the most famous scientifc berakthroughs in History decribing laws of Physics, yet they never get discredited in the same manner when used to present evidence on such things an autrocity or used against government corruption etc... etc...

So what your saying in effect is that Newtons 'Theory' which is used to describe gravity is all bollox...
Einsteins 'Theory' of relativity is also bollox...

After all there just theories no?

Your using it's term in the exact same sense Bush came out days after 9/11 & manipulated the meaning via the media in an attempt to discredited everthing else bar the Official Version. Eg:Conspiracy Theorist = Wacko, nut job, loony...
There are things which people need answers to, a lot of which regarding 9/11 has or can quite easily be explained with the use of some of these so called 'crazy theories' or 'wacky conspirathists'
It's when you choose to try & discredited or at least not keep an open mind to this side of the coin, solely taking on board whats been rolled out to you by the media & Administration that things then dont start to add up.

if you don't like the game, why do you still play?

now your taking leaps of faith - defo sign of religion.

where did i say ALL theories are shite? as my name suggests, i like tangible scientific evidence, something that can be broken down into maths, figures and numbers (which is what the whole universe is based on) then you can start to build your theories and put them forward for evaluation.

to give in a little, while i accept that these theories are not impossible by no stretch of the imagination - for me, there's very little ACTUAL evidence other than hearsay and speculation but it isn't based on scientific fact or evidence. If there were good evidence that would stand up to public scrutiny, i'm sure there would be some sort of legal action going on.

Ok, then put this way maybe:

3 Sky Scrapers on Sept 11 collapsed at virtually free fall speed in their own foot print due to planes crashing into 2 of them. The Official Version has not once, not twice but 3 times re-written the laws of Physics, the actual melting point of steel & made Architectural History in getting across their Theory of what happened on 9/11.

Using the theory of explosives or some form of controlled demolition then the activities surrounding 9/11 can quite easily be explained.

of course i know things are kept from me and i also understand that some of it shouldn't be but i'm level headed. In general, humans as u have all pointed out are dopey sheep on the edge of a panic. if some people knew everything there could be much worse problems.

it's a complicated balance the world, stand offs from many countries - hell, the cold war was a bascially 2 bullies asking each other for a fight but no-one daring to start it. it's an uneasy peace

yet here a report says is it wasn't free fall speed? Yet Another Scienctists View, more importan than the last! and that the localised damage was enough to cause failirue in the concrete to make the floors collapse and the jet fuel weakened the steel - although the jet fuel was probably even required.



this is going to go around and around. Ah well, i know u guys hate the system - but keep on reaping the benefits eh

Virtually freefall speed, 11 seconds the 1st tower came down in, due to fire that was nowhere near hot enough to melt 1 floor let alone pulverize 55...

(Hey! I pay my taxes )

taxes that paid for the demolitions guys to set all the charges? are you part of the illuminati? do u have a secret handshake?

is like a double bluff?

what about the moon landing - do u believe that?

Dont get me started Phil... I've already lost about 2 days with this thread

did you also know the jumbo jet that crashed at lockerbie was re-inforced not long before it blew up?

don't worry - the lunar orbiter (orbitor? ) will be taking photos' of the land zone soon.


only for then the sceptics to say the photos are faked. nuggets.

I didn't? Im currently reading up on the Oaklahoma City bombings... theres only so much one Conspiracy buff can take man!

it was the 17th ( i think, a low 1 anyway, in the teens) ever made 747 and the cargo hold had been reinforced.

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