Surely the government has to start listening now....

mines the other point of view - if these drugs are bad for you - why aren't alcohol and tabacco banned? if they were serious about the physical and mental health problem - they'd do it. Look at how they're blaming failing hospitals because of the number of cases in A&E of drunk people causing argo, assaulting doctors, wasting time etc.

it's all down to the individual taking the drug - some people can take it, some just can't handle it and can have mental health issues - be it weed OR alcohol

ness is right (some of the time ) - it's about moderation - something that people of today seem to have forgotten sometimes

Yeah it is about moderation, and maybe the government are hypocrites at time, but noone can possibly say that legalising other drugs is a step forward, apart from a stoner ofcourse as they'll be able to get hold of stuff easier lol.

Like i said i chose to do drugs when clubbing, i knew they were illegal and could possibly harm me, but that was my choice, if they were easier to get hold of i think alot of people would try them that maybe doesn't know the risk and could do damage to themseves.

it would be interesting to speculate WHY attitudes towards going out and enjoying a night out of whatever drug you take, has become so 'severe' - the rise of the binge drinking culture

it seems to be hiting certain parts of america with all the uproar about 'spring break' and that place in mexico they all go to get hammered. 'tijuana' is it? sounds like whitley bay



i think the smoking laws came in quiet easy - people moaned more than anything else before it actually happpened and it's taken a little getting used to (i've been drinking twice since it happened and not ina club yet!) - so maybe modern prohibition laws would be accepted easier.

Personally. i'd chuffing move abroad.

@pete - thats a classic response - I did it, and now I don't, but I'm sure the rest of youse couldn't handle it so you should be barred from making the decision.

@MoS - I agree logic dictates that all is legal or all is banned but I would hate my fellow citizens to feel they have the right to stop me having a drink if I want. There are laws in place to deal with me if I get drunk and disorderly.

@MistaK - you can't have that name and advocate the banning of drugs and expect to be taken seriously

At heart this is a debate about civil liberties. Some harm would be caused if drugs were available to consenting adults, but much more harm is caused by the present system. The jails are full of people who did nothing to harm anyone else, organised crime is strengthened, people are taking adulterated drugs, safe use is compromised in clubs because they have to pretend no one is doing them, gun crime is increased and so on. But it's not really about harm reduction. Adults should be free to do what they want if it only causes hurt to themselves. That goes for anything from rock climbing to drug taking to tatooing a full english breakfast on their head.

if you legalise drugs and let the governemt control them, it will do nothing, they will just cost more because of tax and we will still have dealers selling them at a cheaper price

edit:- should have read all the posts first

theres not much moonshine or home grown tobacco on sale though, even if they are both taxed heavily ?
I did know a lad who made his own alcohol with his own still but you wouldn't want to drink that all night :spangled:

yeah but there are plenty of illegal drugs kicking about, so therefore plenty of people are making them and why would they stop as they are obviously making loads from it

Well done for making a complete arse of yourself, the drugs were illegal when i done them, and still are illegal, therefor i was barred from making the decision myself, but still found drugs through a dealer therefor people who really want to get into them can do the same.

what a load of shite lol when i was getting sick of pills id only do them once every 5 months or so and i noticed a massive change each time, after i've done them my body weight decreses by shit loads through sweating it out, your eating pattern goes as does your sleeping pattern if you've been clubbing, and from a training point of view your general functioning goes right out the window cos i was unable to train anywhere near as hard. Also from a mental point of view when i took pills regularly my memory was shit, id forget stuff that was told to me 5 minutes before and even my speech was fucking up slightly.

Yes maybe doing things in moderation might be safe but a vast majority of people who get into drugs like pills get hooked on them (not as an addiction before you correct me) but just the feeling and end up caning them for a bit.

If people wanna get wrecked that's cool, but the thought of some drugs being made legal is laughable.

@ rossy totally agree mate
@pete - the point is you stopped when you thought it was doing you no good. why do you imagine all the rest of us are too stupid to do the same?
and you were barred from using the drugs but you chose to break the law. an action which could have seen you locked up for life if you had happened to give a mate a few pills. Is this the best way to organise things. surely you can't believe that.

Always been a strange one this. I think the people who want them legal don't understand the consequences:

1) Recreational drugs would be the easiest target for tax increases & with two budgets that would see then end of the £2 cowie!!!
2)Quality of the stuff, yes sometimes you don't get off tits because of poor shit but do you think the Government will be knocking out high impact quality shit? It will be limited.
3)Drug dealers will be targeted even more!!! Why. because they are now not only selling something they shouldn't, they will not be paying tax as well. So everyone will be in Boots buying there £20 pill or the £100 coke fix.

KEEP THEM ILLEGAL!!! This method saves £££'s for the consumer.


Please note I am not a drug user but with the rising debt levels in the UK the price of cheap drugs is all some fuckers can afford.

I'm sure most people will agree that people who are in bad debt probably need to think about getting out of it, instead of off their tits

From reading the odd article it is 18 to 30 year olds that are increasing the unsecured debt mountain they don't need highly taxed drugs as well.

they call them drama queens rossy

sounds like you've had extreme reactions pete - i'm living proof pills don't make u thin and lose weight thru regular and moderate use

if I knew what I was getting every time was of a consistant quality and legal I would gladly pay tax and pay more.
the government wouldn't make it, it would be private firms. Tabs are a consistent strength, if they didn't work nobody would buy them.
Dealers would be out of business. Thats a good thing IMO. the people at the top of the chain are utterly ruthless bastards who SHOULD be locked up. One of the sad consequences of the criminalisation of drugs is that all the users keep quiet cos they want to keep their supplier out of trouble and that protects the people at the top. It's only the little guys who are just getting a bit for their mates who get caught and locked up.
Of the drugs out there MDMA is relatively benign and having it as class A just shows the ignorance of those in 'authority'
If you totally cane anything from chocolate to pickled onions you will do yourself damage. The reason they are banned is to do with what phil mitchell said at first - they don't want the little drones taking time off and reducing productivity and creating more wealth for the rich. That would never do.