Should evolution be taught in schools?

well, they don't use their sight much, so it's redundant. in 40,000 generations - they might not have them any more.

what do they need monkeys for again? just to spread seeds? there's no other way of spreading seeds about than via monkey poo?


you get me so mad. argumentative toad

you're as bad as melt. i'm off.

bird poo as well.

but how does the tree know all this when he doesnt have a brain... G-d told him.

Sorry to harp on about this, but, it seems as though Joe has agreed that darwins evolution of natural selection is taught as theory ...(which seems to be what everyone is saying) ...

...And, Joe also seems to be saying that microevolution is ok to be taught as fact ... (which again everyone seems to agree with)

Please someone help me here, because it looks to me as though even though everyone agrees they are still arguing.



I just don't get message boards do I ???

have you never argued for the fun of it?

I think I could construct a reasonable argument for almost any position if I worked at it.

Only when i feel strongly about something.

Obviously I've just not lived have I ??

at the heart of this debate is yosefs desire to show that religiosity is a world view which is equally valid to rationality. he has tried to show that both views are ,at base, faiths.
However I think you either believe in rationality and observation as a base for your life or you believe in an outside agency, a god.
the two are incompatible IMO
what we teach our children is based on one or other of these world views and can't really straddle the two convincingly. that's what the argument is about

These type of threads are always an interesting read, i just normally prefer to read rather than post in them.

For the purpose of this one though, as I spent three years of my life studying genetics I have to say that it would be a hell of a waste of a lot of researchers time and money if schools decided to stop teaching evolution

that makes my point that there's a limit to our knowledge and understanding of these things... we just don't know how or why apples behave the way they do.... but to claim that anything beyond our understanding must therefore be the work of a divine creator is just arrogant... instead we should just accept that our knowledge is limited.

Who and when I can't remember... but a leading scientist bout 200 yrs ago claimed that the work of science was finished as we'd worked it all out... then imagine what we'll know in 2200!

Exactly - it's like William the conquerer seeing/know what we know now - and then US seeing what our evolved relatives (with no eyes) will have in 3007. we can't comprehend it YET

I'm jewish... I can't help arguing

no it isnt?

this debate has nothing to do with religion?

its not evolution or creationism, just as its not black or white....

this is all good and well but can you explain why some of the earliest forms of life like trilobites of the cambrian explosion have perfectly formed eyes?

at least its only 3 years... darwin wasted a life time

fossil record my dear boy... first google result: http://www.trilobites.info/eyes.htm

That is submitable evidence.... primodial soup from rocks and elements from light beams are not.

I thank you.

you're not a very good scientist andy.

I've never questioned microevolution?

I'm asking how the eye evolved... when it appeared almost immidiatly in the fossil record.

Stop getting confused.