Should evolution be taught in schools?

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    There's a number of theories of abiogenesis detailed in numerous books, and clearly only one at best can be correct, but there's not necessarily anything particularly special or devine about a self perpetuating chemical.
    A self perpetuating chemical and life are not one and the same.....

    You know fine well that even the most basic forms of life is a million billion trillion miles from a self perpetuating chemical!

    If you are to demand exacting standards of evidence from science (and you absolutely should) you must demand the same from any religious alternative.
    Why I claim my religion as a faith not a science, evolution is not based on science - it is based on guesswork.
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    whats the difference between a self replicating mechanism and a bacterium?
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    No it doesn't!

    Why do you continuelly lie?

    Take the Cambrian explosion of animal life, 530 million years ago, some 50 phyla appeared suddenly in the fossil record. Only 30 to 34 survived. The rest perished. Since then no new phyla have evolved... why would no new phyla evolve?

    hahahaha you haven't been able to explain anything other than microevolution... how can you possibly say complex life is the only thing you have trouble explaining?!?!?
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    deary me. all evolution is based on genetic mutations. There is no such thing as macroevolution as you are choosing to define it. One species does not suddenly mutate into another and nobody claims they do. It's a process of gradual seperation. Thats why there is nothing with three legs (apart from rolf harris)
    If any mutation confers a benefit then it will survive. The vast majority of them will not and won't. There is no such thing as progression or regression. the direction of evolution is random.
    And a mutation does indeed create something new.
    your understanding of evolution is as poor as mine of hebrew.
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    well there is some debate as to whether a virus constitutes a life form. give him an inch:wink: :D
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    Deary deary me.
    The birth of many stars can be seen. It is just on such a long time scale that it takes longer than recorded history and so a human observer can't see it.
    Stars at all stages of this process can be observed however.
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    They should scrap Religious Education in favour of this, I used to stay off school whenever I had RE because I didn't want to be taught about things I didn't believe in and stuff like Muslims/Hindus/Jews etc etc. RE should be optional and not compulsary, it shouldn't be forced onto people the way it is.
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    they should teach philosophy IMO
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    Then it is you that is confusing macroevolution... within the timeframe of life emerging on earth without genetic mutations there hasn't been the time scale for such a broadscope of life to emerge.

    What you class as macroevolution is actually microeveolution, the different variety of cats can be attributed to microevolution, however the shared ancestor of a cat and venus fly trap cannot be explained by the gradual progression you describe... mutations or something similar need to occur.

    You've just stated something, can you show me one example of this ever happening... it certainly isn't in your rich fossil record ;)
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    I actually support evolution... I just don't place blind faith in abiogenisis and stellar evolution.

    Where have a breached the fossil record?
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    I believe in evolution but what created the universe is something I don't think we'll ever know. Maybe it was a God of some sort, it seems a bit odd to me. I mean, what's the universe inside of? What's beyond our universe. :spangled:
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    thats quite a handy explanation...

    We witness the deteriation of stars constantly, from red giants to white dwarfs we've witnessed it all... yet theres no documentation of the birth of stars.

    Do you have an explanation for cosmic evolution? :lol:
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    thats cosmic evolution ;)

    I actually believe in evolution, I just think theres some fucking huge holes in the theory.

    It should be taught as theory not fact.
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    I always thought it was the theory of evolution? Is it now considered scientific fact?

    and what holes are there in this theory?
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    No I'm utterly opposed to the teaching of religious theory as fact in public schools... faith schools are entitled to teach the curriculum of the parents choice.

    And there are astronomical holes in evolution cosmic evolution, stellar evolution, abiogenisis, etc. are nothing but speculation...

    The only evolution that one can support as fact is microevolution as it's something we've witnessed.... the others are nothing but theories - some are deeply speculative.
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    some evolution theories are taught as theory... but evolution is taught as fact.
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    haha are you serious? if it isn't primodial soup then its magic?

    Who teaches you science?!?!? duality has no place in scientific experimentation ;)
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    Imagine kids were taught that dragons and such like were on earth during medievil times. It wouldn't happen, however it seems acceptable to teach kids about all this hocus pocus that's written in the bible.
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    It is a parents right to raise their children to their own beliefs and not your beliefs...
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    why shouldn't a parent be entitled to teach their children that dragons existed if thats their belief?

    You believe that murder is wrong, you teach your children that... yet theres nothing in nature to support this belief.

    Our intellect is moulded from the beliefs of our parents.

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