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  1. MistaK

    MistaK Modulations Staff

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    eh joe u blatently tailored rossy's quote there:

    wha you tryin to pull
    MistaK, May 12, 2008
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    and what on earth has deterministic chaos theory got to do with anything!
    MistaK, May 12, 2008
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  3. Yosef Ha'Kohain

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    lol its not off topic at all, I'm trying to explain theories that I know very little about... you can read about big bang theories but without understanding the maths behind them you're not understanding anything... its an increibly deep subjects that none of us on this board understand.

    We have to rely on the dumbed down explanations of these formulas.

    I'm correlating the Bible with these theories and demonstrating that religion and science aren't diametrically opposed to each other... those that suggest that they are don't understand the theology or the science (from both camps).
    Yosef Ha'Kohain, May 12, 2008
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  4. MistaK

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    well, i'm out of steam for now.

    rossy?
    MistaK, May 12, 2008
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  5. Rossy

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    I'm sure you can use your intuition on this one. Lets not get into pointless semantics (that I'm not even sure make sense), Occams razor is perfectly applicable here and it's a textbook example.

    Our existence is no reason to assume that something must have created us, because then you'd have to ask who created him and so on (to which I'm sure there is some kind of handy excuse for him not having to be created)
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    Not really, we suit this universe because if we didn't we wouldn't be talking about it. Obviously it's not chaotic enough for us to be unable to exist. Maybe if the rules were different, in ways that would crush us to pieces now, we'd have evolved in tandem with them. and it wouldn't be chaotic.
    Rossy, May 12, 2008
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    Anyway joe, thanks to you somebody repeatedly calls me Joseph Cohen. :rolleyes: :D
    Rossy, May 12, 2008
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  8. stuwrong

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    i think i stopped believing in god before i stopped believing in santa claus
    stuwrong, May 12, 2008
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  9. Yosef Ha'Kohain

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    You're assuming a deity is a being rather than a cause, a force... Jewish sages describe G-d as being the most simplistic thnig ever... the yerm HaShem echad or the L-rd is One or All-h is one...a sentiment echoed by the three major Abrahamic faiths means thatHaShem is everything and by default - simple.

    Butw Occams razor can only be applied to observable phenomena as it relies on rules that govern this universe... As we're stepping outside of the universe it becomes unapplicable.We can look at far off galaxies and assume that the laws of nature are constant as light behaves in the same way - we cannot look otside of the universe... You can state that existence outside of the universe behaves the sameway because that seems like the most simple answer (to you) - but that doesn't make it so.
    Yosef Ha'Kohain, May 12, 2008
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  10. Yosef Ha'Kohain

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    and stalks you?

    sorry about that.
    Yosef Ha'Kohain, May 12, 2008
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    ok here's a very simple question - if we're relying on chance in the chaos to produce life... how is that life appeared on earth almost immideatly after it formed.

    It's not just that our planet can support biosystems, but our planet would appear to exist for the purpose of these systems.
    Yosef Ha'Kohain, May 12, 2008
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  12. ManofScience

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    woooaaaa - THATS where Joe's been - he's been doing a physics doctorate (long side his rabbi training!) :lol:
    ManofScience, May 12, 2008
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    :up:
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    ianmc, May 12, 2008
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    rely on 'chance' - alot more likely than some super energy/god just creating everything from nowere

    - obviously it cant be the logical scientific theory which uses fact to back it up, so it must be some sort of god who created everything in 7 days or whatever just for abit of a laugh backed by a really old book
    WorldonFire, May 12, 2008
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    I think it's all total horse shit. Look at the wars it causes.
    trance_fan, May 12, 2008
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  17. Conway

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    religion doesn't cause wars, people do

    You tend to find in religious wars that one or both sides subvert their religion and its beliefs in order to make their cause seem just (both christianity and islam are meant to be peaceful religions).

    if there was no religion whatsoever, there'd still be as many wars as there is now, just for different reasons (oil, race, nationality, etc).
    Conway, May 12, 2008
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  18. claire

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    None of those, I'd say I was a cautious agnostic labelled Catholic
    claire, May 12, 2008
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    whooo - looked at the religion thread that had 666 views!

    I know we've a thread on the curious number 56 - but the 666 pops up for me far to often!

    numbers at work, phone numbers, the tattoo on my son....
    Hebburnite, May 12, 2008
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  20. Sweeney

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    Greed and money causes far more conflict than religion.
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