Religion

Increases in aggregate demand due to increased private and government spending?

No really, two universes colliding?

Nothing needs to cause the laws of the universe, without them I wouldn't be hear to observe it, because the universe could not exist. So talking about what creates them is pointless. They just are.

you didnt actually answer my question there mate.

It's not. Unlike the common idea of god, I don't try and tell people what they can and can't do.

I'm much more opposed to the mainstream idea of god than the idea of his existence. Why does he have to be so oppressive? I think control is a human trait, not a divine one.

I'm more progressive and open minded than "god".

same here, but at the same time - both parties havent got any solid proof of how it started.

in the red corner, we've got scientific data that randomly estimates that we all came from a huge explosion - i forgot what steven hawking called his theroy. something about horseshoe's? whatever - all seems like guess work to me

in the black corner, you've got a REALLY old book.... cool.

we're all just a massive biological mistake that shouldent of happend. earth included.

i just find it highly coincidental how only 1 planet in a few hundered thousand close to us - or indeed the planets that are further affield and have the options to create eco-systems dont have any obvious signs of life on them either.

its makes me feel slightly alone....

it seemed to me we're all just a massive insignificance to the bigger picture. and for a start we're fucking this planet right up as i speak, we arent going to last much longer.

i wish i wasnt pissed - i'd have my books out with quotes ready

I don't know, I'm not a quantum physicist. I think it's safe to say that the laws of the universe would not have been the same though.

I think it's a possibility that there are a large amount of universes, some more chaotic than others. We live in a stable universe obviously, which is why we are able to exist. It's the right conditions. If not, we wouldn't be hear to talk about it.

i still cant see how you can back up the creation of such things with quotes from the magna carta or whatever tho.

*gets coat*

Did you just ask a "if a tree falls down in a forest and nobody is there, did it make a noise" type question? I don't know, there would be no way to end the experiment and come to a conclusion in eternity, unless they were successful. You could only ever prove that they did do it.

Anyway, I only mentioned the multiverse thing because I thought you were expecting me to say the big bang.

We are tailored to suit this particular universe. Chaos is relative. We exist because it isn't chaotic (to us). It doesn't prove anything.

urgh, that did hurt my head that last statement joe, could you have not kept it on tipsy sandancer laments terms?

multiverse, parralell universes - bubble theory is all well and good on paper - but all of these theory's seems to have come from pretty much no-where. besides i cant understand it one bit anyways like.

even then how does this go towards your arguement of the G man/woman/enitity existing?

you just seem to be going off topic somewhat with your crazy evidence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_Razor