Pointless

Yea, so you should go to City Life Church in Newcastle too! It'll be amazing!

http://www.city-church.co.uk/

I wish I were, the last time I took class a's you were wearing silver cat suits

monkey do you ever evangelicize in public?

true that, I have g-d in my life and I have no more meaning than the g-dless.

I just have a different meaning, I was chosen - they weren't

Do you mean as in cold-contact go out and meet random people in the street? I do that occasionally maybe once or twice a year if that, most of my evangelism is with friends or acquaintances. I do a homeless Mission Group where we tell the gospel to the underprivileged and stuff like that but my my church goes out about 2 or 3 times a year into Leeds to chat to people.

You've got chutzpah kid

i have to say i havent read thru this thread coz i'm just bout to go to bed but i will say this. religion has its good points and does have some great moral teachings...however its like politically correctness, people take it too far.

this thread proves that point. the two of u are arguing over something that was "made up" over 2000 years ago, translated (pardon the pun) god only knows how many times and is more fairytale-tastic than cinderella. now for these types of tales to cause the amount of heartache, war and death in this world pisses me off.

the christian bible contradicts itself throughout and, if taken literally, gives me the impression that god is the nastiest piece of work the universe will ever see. case in point, the last few paragraphs describe how "if any man adds to or takes away from these words written here-in, god will strike down upon him every plague known to man"......what if he repents that sin?

however my main disbelief is how anyone in this day and age can put so much stock in a book written so long ago, put so much faith into something that is not only far from logic, but also scientifically (which has proof) bollocks (pardon my french).

but each to their own

goodnight all

Another misquote I'm afraid, the Jewish translation is closer to:

"And the Lord wished to crush him, He made him ill; if his soul makes itself restitution (acknowledge guilt) he shall see children, he shall prolong his days and God's purpose shall prosper in his hand."

Thats kinda strange, looked in a number of translations and none came up with anything about children and stuff, again i dont have the theological knowledge to answer that one

That would make Joseph the step father though? If Mary were a virgin and g-d were Yeshuas father... what does Josephs genealogy matter - they're not biologically related.

Matthew's geneaology traces Joseph's line of descendants, and deals with the passing of the legal title to the throne of David (David-Solomon-Jehoikim-Coniah-Joseph-Jesus). As Joseph's adopted son, Jesus became his legal heir so far as his inheritance was concerned. The "of whom Jesus was born" (Matthew 1:16) is a feminine relative pronoun, clearly indicating that Jesus was the physical child of Mary and that Joseph was not His physical father.

If the jews already had a covenant with him, weren't we already in a reltionship with him? he chose us after all

Thats right, the chosen people with covenant with God, that was the OLD covenant and when Jesus came he brought with him the NEW covenenant which is not only for the Jews but also for the Gentiles.

Romans 3 vs 28 For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. 29Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith.

This had been happening long before the coming of christ, Jews had been worshipping outside of the temple for centuries.

There's a difference between worshiping God and being in the place where he dwells.

Shul is supposed to be spirritual, not exciting?

Church is incredibly spiritual and I'm on an incredible high after church, extremely exciting!

I've never been to an evangelical church, only catholic, but I shall take up your offer if only to heckle from the back rows

Do it! I'm back for the weekend of the 9th of December we can both go and have a gander see what its like!

What's that like?

Guys can we continue this tomorrow I'd love to stay up and continue this debate answer your comments (Ness + Rossy) but ironically I've gotta be up @ 7.30 to get to a prayer meeting and bible study!





To be continued......

i don't believe in religion and i'm really happy in life. I think its just a big load of lies.

Do they mention seed?

The lineage of moshiach has nothing to do with inheritance and everything to do with bloodline... Judaism is huge on this (I'm a cohen - even 2000 years later only cohens can do certain acts in a synagogue).

unlucky for the jews

Didn't you just say that only christians get to heaven?

Jewish philosphy tells us that g-d isn't a geezer in heaven that drifts in and out of temples - but that he is everything, think of him like energy... modern science has taught us that anything that has inertial mass also has energy (within every object is an incomprehendable amount of energy)... This energy acts as a great metaphor for g-d.

We don't believe that he dwelled exclusively in the temple, we believed he is everywhere... When g-d spoke to the jews at mt sinai he didn't speak in a big boomy voice from the heavens... our sages teach us that everything resonated with the words of hashem.

I'm game, although I can't daven with y'all - that would be worshipping false prophets and all that jazz

balls

at the end of the day you either take it on faith that modern cosmology is right or that theology is right. There is no way of proving unequivocally that the big bang happened or that god exists. I don't believe there is a god, it seems too good to be true to me but I don't mind what anyone believes.
It's just when it impinges on society that I get against it.

The religious can't help acting on their beliefs and sicerely think that god has a right and a wrong way that he wants us to act and therefore anyone who acts against that is offending god and should be stopped.

This leads to various forms of authoritarian bullshit from a mild no alcohol through no sex if you are not married to no abortion.
various groups think that music should be banned. and dancing. so I'm guessing most people on this board would find that hard to take.
My point is that once you believe you have found the absolute truth then there is nothing to stop you carrying out any atrocity as long as you believe that god wants you to do it. Which goes for everything from the crusades to modern jihad.

believe anything you like just don't tell me how to live my life

It is only due to the Enlightenment that we have democracy, womens rights, gay rights, modern medcine, and so many other freedoms that we take for granted and if religion makes a comeback that is all threatened.

and finally.............................

Randy Newmans 'That's Why I Love Mankind'
or gods song


"Cain slew Abel, Seth knew not why
For if the children of Israel were to multiply
Why must any of the children die?
So he asked the Lord
And the Lord said:

Man means nothing, he means less to me
Than the lowliest cactus flower
Or the humblest Yucca tree
He chases round this desert
'Cause he thinks that's where I'll be

That's why I love mankind

I recoil in horror from the foulness of thee
From the squalor and the filth and the misery
How we laugh up here in heaven at the prayers you offer me

That's why I love mankind

The Christians and the Jews were having a jamboree
The Buddhists and the Hindus joined on satellite TV
They picked their four greatest priests
And they began to speak
They said, "Lord, a plague is on the world
Lord, no man is free
The temples that we built to you
Have tumbled into the sea
Lord, if you won't take care of us
Won't you please, please let us be?"
And the Lord said
And the Lord said

I burn down your cities-how blind you must be
I take from you your children and you say how blessed are we
You all must be crazy to put your faith in me
That's why I love mankind
You really need me
That's why I love mankind

I didn't realise it had to be one or the other?

Just for the record, the big bang you speak of - very few modern cosmologists would commit to it; they'll tell you that the universe is expanding at the present and has expanded in the past - but most accept that big bang theory is a THEORY.

Its nothing more than guess work.

I quite like this post, reminds me of my profound psychadelic days

This is pretty close to my beliefs - but with the big guy thrown in.