Pointless

are u serious?

yeah, I'm enjoying it.

don't understand why you'd delete it

ok, an example of what i mean and this is very close to home for yourself mate.

taking ww2 as a case in point, if religion hadnt existed during ww2 there wouldve been 6million less deaths during it.

are you seriously asking me, whether i'd delete it - thats what i meant. slow day today?

lol no offence ness but thats the most retarded thing I've heard all day... thats like saying there wouldn't be homophobia if homosexuals didn't exist.

I understand what youre saying; but the jews didn't slaughter millions, so it wasn't religion that was responsible for such tragic deaths... religion was the victim - not the cause.

All I'm asking for is one war that was caused by religion and religion alone... If religion does cause so many wars surely naming one war wouldn't be that hard?

haha no I'm asking you not to... I'm sad, old and boring... I find threads like this enjoyable

u still got the wrong end of the stick!

i MEANT did u seriously think i was going to? - which i wasn't!

or is it my slow day?

it keeps you 3 off the streets anyways....

hahaha sorry this thread has fried my brain

first off i'm not sayin it was the jews' fault for what happened however u have to see where i'm coming from here, religious difference fuels conflict. if there were no religion there would have been no victims. u say its a way of showing which side you're on, however, as with the case in iraq with sunnis and shias, there would be no sides (or a lot less teams anyway) there would always be the power struggle but the people fighting would be less inclined to take up arms if they were not fuelled by religion.

u asked for a religious war, how about the worst of all, the 30 year war between the protestant union and the catholic league? 14million died in the name of religion!

But difference has nothing to do with religion... If it weren't religion maybe Hitler would of slaughtered anyone with a J in their surname? The only solution to what your proposing is a population of clones

Also the holocaust was based on racial science, not religious... Hitler believed the Jews to be an inferior/superior race.

This is much better, religion was at the core of this war and I was hoping someone would cite something along these terms... While these wars were faught "in the name of religion", they were far from religious.

This was a power struggle in which some of the most powerful figures in Europe wore their religious affilition like a badge... There is nothing in the doctrine of either sects that would advocate such a war... This was the manipulation of religion to aid a power struggle.

Had christianity not existed the powers in question would of used something else to wear as a badge.

Just as science isn't to blame for the holocaust, religion isn't to blame for the "majority" of religious wars.... Man is.

Andy are you serious?

The initial Jewish settlements were free of religion, they were secular, socialist Jews who identified themselves as Jewish by ethnicity (the religious Jews supported the Palestinians)... Religion had nothing to do with the conflict.

The conflict is a result of two ethnic/national communities battling over their homelands... Both movements were secular nationalists, it wasn't until much later in the history of the conflict that religion was introduced to BOTH sides.

This isn't exclusive to religion, more people have died for nationalism/communism... Self-sacrifice isn't unique to religion from soldiers on the frontline to kamikazee pilots athiests ahve been sacrificing themselves since the dawn of athieism

I understand your point and it is valid... But it is not a cause for war.

Then how do explain Hitlers slaughter of the homosexuals?

Do we blame science for the holocaust? If you remove racial science from ww2 then Hitlers aryan movement wouldn't exist... Do we blame science for hiroshima? Without science hundreds of thousands wouldn't of died or been contaminated?

Religion is a powerful scapegoat and an even powerfuller agent to generate legitimacy for your cause... But it is nothing more... Any ideology/theology can be manipulated to suit a cause.

ok nick griffin :spangled:

Don't delete it!!!

I can see what ya saying here but i think my main gripe is that religion is the most powerful agent in generating conflict, and not only that but the whole concept of these people's religions is so improbable, the fact it drives them to kill others and themselves makes me believe we'd be better off without it.

bit harsh innit, he was only sayin that driving in india scares the shit out of him.

Oh...maybe I'm being slow as well!

he was saying that all indians don't care if they die..... and as a result drive like nutters.... bit of a grand/arrogant stereotype which shows a cultural ignorance to the majority of Indias beliefs...

I think you mean "was the most powerful agent"... the last century saw more slaughter than any other era... A fraction of the killings were carried out in the name of religion.

By your logic we should be more scared of science & politics... but both have done more good than bad (I think?)

And I believe the same holds true for religion.

That number is starting to creep back up now tho mate, the last 10 years religious killings have started to rise i would say. u look at fantical muslims saying "kill the infidels" because someone has read the koran a certain way, and these same people waging jihad, you'll find that its startin on that slope again.