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andy i really enjoy reading your space talk

Just under 1000 years ago Nachmanidies stated something similar to this: "At the briefest instant following creation all the matter of the universe was concentrated in a very small place, no larger than a mustard seed" ... At a time when Europeans thought the world was flat the great Jewish sages were discussing the conception of the universe.

You can scoff till you're red in the face, but modern science is only just beginning to catch up with theories Jews have been pushing for millenia.

The Torah and the Oral law (which was later written down as the Talmud) were passed from G-d to the Hebrews... Will you stop professing to know Jewish scripture.

The great sages knew that they hadn't the technical know how to work out what the stars were composed of, so they merely commented on the light emmiting from them... Judaism is not a doctrine - it encourages debate to try and find the deeper meaning in our scripture... For example; Ramban believed the stars had an influence on mans behaviour while Rambam believed them to be light sources at incomprehendible distance from Earth.

If you're expecting man of 3000, 2000 or 1000 years ago to explain the composition of an atom then you're insane... But Jews of 3000, 2000 and 1000 years ago were all pushing theories which science turned it's nose at up untill the modern era.

Our understanding of the Torah is limited by man's conscience.

Science says nothing of the sort, you keep confusing your ...sorry... Dawkins opinion as fact... the majority of scientists are religious and those deeply involved in cosmology tend to subscribe to a deity of some kind.

But yes, the Torah tells us to embrace science (and any other intellectual pursuit).

what happened between the 4 billion years since the earth was created and g-d created joe? was he on ebay for a while, you know, passing time?

it's all poppycock. and you can quote me on that.

i wanna know what the dinosaurs were all about?

apparently - they WERE on the ark!!?!??

Jurassic Ark?

And I followed it with a more reliable study showing that the majority of scientists are religious.... was it not 2 days ago when you telling me that the majority of the worlds population is athiest?

I can see why you chose science, you're maths is shit

I would love for you show me the religous/eductional study which reflects global opinion (not British) as some accedemic institutions encourage athiesism while others encourage religion (America v England being a good example).

where does it say that?

I am the product of evolution... However I believe my soul is not the product of evolution.

i can't see how any intelligent individual in the 21st century can possibly believe the stories about the ark and adam and eve and the rest of the old testament hokum. I am prepared to entertain the idea of a creator of the universe since we have no way of proving or disproving that there is one. The big bang represents a boundary which scientific inquiry is unable to cross and so anything before that is open to any sort of speculation.

However it is a long long way from that to the idea that the creator (if there were one) cares about us in any meaningful sense whatsoever or that he is omnipotent or gives a flying fuck wether we eat pork or grow a beard or shag someone we are not married to. Or that we are going to live forever if we are nice or go to hell if we are naughty. It is SO far fetched it's barely worth consideration, never mind a lifetime of theological study.

Intelligent Selection believers say this

i entertain the idea - as i try to be open minded - however, it's very unlikely in my mind

so am i
so if ure soul hasent been produced with evolution how hav u got one and where did it come from?

the soul train?