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Joseph Smith was recorded during his time... Jesus Christ wasn't (while the Torah prophets were).

now you weren't there so you can't know that.

??? I don't have to be there to read records???

well as I'm sure you are aware there is debate about when the gospels were written and no one knows for sure. not even you

that had nothing to do with what i was talking about though :spangled:

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explain?

joe: Joseph Smith was recorded during his time... Jesus Christ wasn't (while the Torah prophets were).

forks: now you weren't there so you can't know that.

anyway enough of this. How come I can't change my picture? I put in new URL and nothing happens?
lets get the important things in life sorted....

Can you see how this same entity could conjour up a universe?

The conception of the universe is much harder to comprehend... To create something from nothing is the greatest miracle; you put forward the notion that it was sequence of chance that lead to creation (from matter to life).... However I believe the evidence points towards a force external to this space time contimuum that caused us to exist.

I don't believe my deity Hashem chose the Jews over every other man, we are all part of his creation - I believe it was merely the Hebrews role to deliver a conscience to mankind.... Which we've succeeded in doing... the modern conscience revolves around Jewish values.

To put it simply " How can anybody, in this day and age, put blind faith into something so improbable?"

What does any of that have to dow with the conception of the universe?!?!?

pure lawyer tactics going down andy.

Explain why we aren't racist, paedophiles that sacrifice babies to the moon G-d andy?

like big bang theory?

Some highly energised light beams exploded and gave birth to people?!?!? hahaha you're having a giraffe

Of coursew the conception of the universe is imporbable, whatever gave birth to it was the greatest miracle of existence.

The universe could of always existed, G-d could of always existed... You fail to understand that these are all theories, all with valid arguments that compliment different mindsets.

Wisdom is acquired and not G-d given, we find the theory that best compliments our understanding.

I don't think any Jew condsiders G-d a creature.

This is complete nonsense, ancient greece was one of the most powerful/advanced societies of the ancient world - yet they practised and promoted paedophilia.

The Aztecs were uncontended and sacrificed hundreds of thousands to their G-ds, nothing contended with their reign until they came into conflict with christians.

Almost every ancient society practrised racism, it wasn't until the Jews introduced love thy neighbour to the world that we started becoming more welcoming of those from another culture.

It was not until the introduction of the Torah that the morals which define todays society were laid down... Your theory is not reflected in historical or current records... Those nations untouched by Judaism (or its offspring) have a very different morality to those that were touched.

Why would you expect religion to be universal?

science isn't universaly in harmony... does that mean science is false?

humans are a form of life (the most evolved form we know).

So my comment remains the same: "Some highly energised light beams exploded and gave birth to people".... its just as improbable as G-d theory.... but both are possibilities.

Can you show me the evidence which suggests light beams exploded and made humans?

It doesn't matter how many steps are taken Andy, if you start with highly energised light beams and end up with humans... then humans are made of highly energised light beams!!!

if you're going to patronise me at least attempt understand what is being said to you.

That’s just one theory, there's a million explanations for universe expansion; cyclic collapses being an obvious one.

Helium wasn't created a couple of minutes into the big bang? We know there is a large quantity of Helium in the universe, this tells us that at some point there were conditions which could produce large quantities of Helium.... It doesn't tell us that light beams exploded?!?!?

There could be infinite conditions that could produce large quantities of Helium....

The explanation of cmb lies in the early universe, but like helium there could be infinite possibilities...

Judaism.

its a glorious leap of faith.

I assume you’re talking about the Miller experiment (and similar initiatives)? Any compound formed during processes similar to these would have been destroyed as quickly as they were formed.

You're missing so many agents that are required for abiogenesis... I'm not denying or accepting life from matter... I'm just illustrating that yet again you’re mistaking theory for fact.

I subscribe to evolution! But you haven't explained how we can get from lightbeams to life....

They're still here, they were christianised.

And we'll continue to level their homelands for as long as they wage war on us... We did not pick this fight.

Surely an athiest wouldn't believe in a G-d? :spangled: