Nuclear Power Stations

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  1. B.O.B.

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    Geothermal power stations. Countries with volcanic activity (think Iceland, New Zealand) etc use them a lot. I believe Sweden is mostly hydro power.
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    i laughed when the one next to nissan blew up :lol:
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    It is to do with mass, that's where E=mc squared comes from

    The differnce in mass gained by either fission or fusion is released as energy. That's how even just a glass of water has potentially so much energy. Def one for the future
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    Not that, i think thats a single minded thing to think. With a little effort with the internet you can find all sorts of technology that is currently being developed by america, do you think they would be so single minded to use oil on the forms of propulsion? they already use ion engines in space exploration at a basic level.

    Hey i could be wrong and gullable, but there is never smoke without fire.
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    Saw on the news the other day that they were looking at incinerating household waste as a possible alternative.

    Can wind power ever supply the demand though? I doubt it
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    the logistics in moving from THEORY to running a single country of 300 millions people is a big step....

    Once the oil runs out - what can honestly replace it and run the whole world as it does now? we've become so dependant on it - we've put the noose around our own necks...
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    Ah, I see what you are getting at. The weight isn't lost, the fused atoms lose a neutron (which has mass) and a lighter hydrogen atom. The neutron carries the energy. Anyway, we still can't do it, but it is hopefully an option for the future, yes.

    Still doesn't solve our problems now though, unfortunately.
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    How come every major car manufacturer is producing a hydrogen fuel cell car?
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    Your posts are generally intersting, but this?!?!?
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    They will do it, but it will bugger up our emissions targets.

    Nope, we will need a combination of renewable technologies (wind, solar, geothermal, tidal, wave power etc). Along increased energy efficiency and a resulting reduction in demand.
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    Fuel cells are a means of storing and transporting energy. It takes energy to power the fuel cells in the first place. Basically they work as batteries. It is a different technology to fusion.
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    spot on (but then you do know what you're talking about ;) )

    we've got no option at all to go nuclear though I'm not a fan cos we still don't know what to do with the waste, in fact we probably should have decided this about 10 years ago and be half way through building a few dozen power stations by now.

    renewables just aren't gonna do it

    gas we're importing from politically unstable countries.... what exactly do we do when Yeltsin tells us the price of gas quadruples overnight... we can't exactly switch suppliers as you need pipelines in the right place to do that

    oil... where do I start... demand will permanently outstrip supply in probably less than 10 years (or maybe next year if Iran goes tits up), the price will then go up steadily or very quickly depending on who you listen to, but will never come down again... $200 a barrel by some estimates, but 100 years of cheap oil is definitely over

    Only prob with nuclear is that there's finite reserves of Uranium

    so that means we're fairly fucked inside 50-75 years unless some bright spark cracks cold fusion sometime very soon
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    i think wind turbines look good! giant windmills! whats wrong with that? u seen newcastle city centre recently? what a shit hole!

    infact - ANY city centre with concrete in looks grey, drab and shite.

    These elegant structures, powering my telly get the thumbs up from me :up:


    2015 they need to be producing 20% of our elecy or something?
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    also we have to make hydrogen which doesn't exist naturally as an element on Earth, and it takes more energy to make hydrogen than you get back. doh!
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    Which is the other bit everyone seems to forget about! Even nuclear isn't a long term solution.
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    i pray for my kids and grandkids :( human greed and ignorance in the last 150 years has used up so many of the earth resources - but it's human nature...

    One day, mother nature will have had enough of us, wipe us out and start again......

    Hence why i'm an aethiest - it's life afirming - live for today, don't pray for tomorrow or the next life - u don't have time!
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    I didnt mean it to be taken literally.

    Of course wind generators in the middle of the countryside will 'spoil' a natural view - but my point is that i'd rather know theres a chunk of land somwhere covered with a load of them providing cheap and clean energy, as opposed a country dotted with coal/oil buring fire stations.
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    greenpeace help with a hell of a lot policy orientated work that brings about changes than your uninformed self-opinionated clarkson esque rant would indicate, greenpeace and friends of the earth, in particular the latter is virtually a corporate organisation..

    in terms of a soloution.. we need to take a different approach to the way we look at the situation as well as looking for a soloution.. good quote from black activist michael zinzun used in spatial plannning theory...

    "Theory is necessary to figure out what’s really going on. People always want to be saviors for their community. It’s like they see a baby comingdown the river and want to jump in and save it.We need to stop being so reactive to the situation that confronts us. Saving babies is fine for them (other professions), but we want to know who’s throwing the goddamn babies in the water in the first place"

    I'm looking at energy efficiency, commercial, domestic and industrial.. I'm looking at twats that drive their cars everywhere when they can get the bus or train or even - shock horror WALK.

    Its about time the government stopped playing handmaiden to the public and did something about this practically unregulated highly unsustainable 'throwaway culture'.. its ok though, you keep watching Clarkson, he knows everything..
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    yeah nuclear fusion seems the badboy it'll be mint when they figure that out properly so they can use it.
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    Im glad someone mentioned acually saving supplies as well as just creating a new one. It really getting me annoyed to think of how much electric is wasted :evil: Places having lights on ALL night, and i dont mean like street lights :rolleyes:

    We all take our energy for granted :(

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