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To be fair mark i thought that pulling the main forum was a bit drastic, but more power to ya big man its worked,the board today has been quieter, but of the posts 99% have been really interesting. i suppose this was how the board was a while ago?.

Got to admit that i probs posted in some of the random threads,but that was because it was easy to get caught up in them,now there is no chance of that,which is good.

imo,trance classics once a month would be a decent idea especially with the reduced price ( cry ,cry student poverty ). i know that 3 quid ain't that much but its my petrol money to get up,(and an extra vodka and shark,).It would be a releif to here proper tunes,unlike that tat thats coming out in some trance compilation cd's now!!!.

*looks forward to friday*

Even at Nick Rafferty night? Quietest one id ever been to.

I didnt think there was any more thn say 300 in that night. But then again i didnt exactly count them!

Mark is right clubs are getting a lot quieter these days. why is this? anyone any got any thoughts on it?

its just a lul that happens every year before x-mas.

Tis true in my case i spent too much going to the nec so i can make the trip to promise as i can't afford it.

But i will be back when i get my student loan.

Big events have a sumthing 2 do with clubs getting quieter deffo. people save up for big events as so many dj's are on in one nite and miss weekly club nites.

i dont really like big events anymore, hope they are'nt as many this year and peeps start to go back to clubs more often.

This is all IMO, however my opinion is by no means set in stone, feel free to put me straight.

I think its safe to say the festivals will be out in force again this year - after the (financial) successes of last years festivals, im sure they will try and capitalise on it.

I couldnt afford many festivals anyway, my experience from GKGG was extremely positive, however i certainly dont think they are doing any favours to club nights, they are simply too costly, and the pull they have undoubtedly does untold damage to those clubs not fortunate enough to have a wallet fat enough to put on these kind of events.

However, as bad as this sounds, i would not have changed my night at GKGG for anything - therin lies the problem. my loyalty lies with promise, but when ppl are faced with the prospect of something like GKGG, we dont think twice about 'missing a week or two' to finance it, we think it wont do em any harm if 'little old me' doesnt turn up... shame it requires another 34,999 people to do the same.

Tricky situation, because you know these events will happen - and you know people will go...

Of course this is all observation, from an outsider point of view - i dont know how true my observations are - but its certainly a valid argument - do ppl think the festivals have the ability to kill off a established night?

Discuss... :groovy:

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established nites will alway's be around, but they do need to evolve, look at the hacienda ( spelling ). people always have an offiliation with their fav/local club. there is a sense of pride that goes with promise, well with me there is anyway, i don't think you would get that with the likes of gk or gc, maybe i'm wrong!!!

this might sound a bit silly but it makes sense to me, its the corner shop and supermarket thing. you don't always shop at the supermarket, but its worth it when you go ( big events ) , but you always go to the corner shop coz you need it and its there for you, ( intimate clubs ). and i know i need promise!!!

1 out of 10 for sales and marketing with that comment Mark. Somehow, I don't think the 'like it or lump it' attitude is the way forward in clubland these days.

Probably because of the lack of variation, weekly clubs seem to be on a 2-3 month loop as to the DJ's they book.

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Mark knows my thoughts, I was against the closure of the main forum and I think more censorship isn't the best way to go about things, but as he knows my thoughts its pointless repeating them

Trance Classics

Crasher's first red and black was a huge success but everytime they've repeated it people say it wasn't as good as the last one - I don't see how promise would be any different? I think the problem lies in calling it trance classics - people expect the same tunes and the same sort of set (and it to be be just as good as the first - which it rarely is).In effect isn't trance classics just a residents night? Instead of calling it trance classics why not come up with new themes for the residents every month - a few ideas could be things like... hard trance, prog trance, classics for different eras of trance, floaty trance... it doesn't matter what your theme is just adding a little more variety than trance classics every month (legends do this all the time). Theres a thousands things promise can do, promise have always in my eyes been a club that inovates not immitates, clubs like Garlands, Good Greef, Sundissential come up with original concepts all the time - promise have always been the same - My honest belief is that if promise want to continue to grow they need to pioneer instead of following Crasher (a dieing club), Passion (who only recently are getting busier cos crasher is shutting), and other large clubs.... I think tranceyDJ's idea of introducing new talent is a great idea... I don't think Promise should start booking unknown dj's who are big in say US (like Mars & Mystre) however I do think DJ's like DJ Astrid, Ali Wilson, Lady Dana who are on the tip of everyones tongue would do the club no harm...

I personally think that club land is a changing industry at the moment with Cream, Crasher etc. going down the pan.

The majority of punters now expect BIG line ups week after week because of the big club brands. This puts a huge strain on promoters because at the end of the day a club is a business 1st and foremost.

Big name DJ's = Big door tariffs

The other factors that are contributing to the changing club environment are big events and pubs getting later licences.

Just a thought..

Nothing went down the pan. Just a reassessment of there businesses. As Promise is doing NOW!!!!!

As for 'Trance Classics' maybe have other things like 'Battle of The Residents' , 'Residents Back2Back' or/& 'Richard Tulip 5 hour set'. From what I have read it sounds like once a month Promise will not be forking out for a guest DJ.
So it is up to Mark & Richard how best they dress these nights up.

But other clubs do dress there line-ups better than Promise do.
Mainly the clubs Smartie has listed.


The Spence

Crasher and Cream have both stopped doin weekly nights to concentrate on Bigger monthly's, one off's etc..

I don't think this is the way that clubland should be goin, KEEP IT UNDERGROUND!!!

Couldnt agree more but if I had brand name like they do I would cash in.

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Its all about creating a balance between making the money and keeping the financial backers happy, and not forgetting your roots and where you started from..

unfortunatly underground nights fall flat on their arse every week in newcastle - for a club of Promises size their has to be an element of commercialism otherwise they wont get the numbers... even in its hayday clubs like crasher booked huge DJ's like PVD.

Promise would fall flat on its arse if they never booked respected dj's IMHO, I think resident nights are a great idea but they need tarting up and its my honest believe that established dj's need to make up the core of the line-up.

classics once a month seems a bit too much like...

...the reason we go clubbin is to hear new tunes as well as the old ones but havin old tunes played once a month seems like to much IMO

as joe has sed why not just resident nites with themes...hard, floaty etc... just seems a better idea than havin a classics nite once a month