Is Robbie a sign of things to come?

JockB · Aug 20, 2003

Originally posted by Mr. Revel
blah blah....whatever...just dont do drugs.

if u need them on a night out to have fun, u are a boring person, or have boring friends, or u r listening to the wrong music.
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I disagree with that... it's all about moderation.

Snack · Aug 20, 2003

Originally posted by CraigB
I disagree with that... it's all about moderation.
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and being young and having a giggle

El Maracca · Aug 20, 2003

live fast die young

Snack · Aug 20, 2003

Originally posted by El Maracca
live fast die young
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leave a pretty corpse?

but then would it really be that pretty if u spent all ur days fucked on drugs.

probably not but who gives a shit if ur dead

El Maracca · Aug 20, 2003

Originally posted by Snack
leave a pretty corpse?

but then would it really be that pretty if u spent all ur days fucked on drugs.

probably not but who gives a shit if ur dead
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got it in one

SeniorChem Si · Aug 20, 2003

"John Lilly is the primordial and most prominent of the chronic K club. His health has deteriorated rapidly in the past decade, as has his cognitive functionality. Weather this is due to years of chronic Ketamine usage is up for debate. Regardless, he is still alive at 80+ years - an achievement for anyone, junky or not. "

I've read about him in a "Ketamine (gets you fucked fast)" leaflet I picked up at sundis ages ago where it described him as a "deeply committed tekno psychonaut of heroic proportions".......

.... now with cognitive problems, hmmmmmmm :spangled:

Snack · Aug 20, 2003

I hate that big stall they have in ss with drug pamphlets on it: PARANOIA!! i try and avoid it at all opportunities...got some free johnnies off it last time tho!

Vin · Aug 20, 2003

This thread is so full of crap. Its actually quite funny!

Certain individuals seem to keep spouting shit, not even realise they are doing it, and in fact say it as if they actually think they know what they are on about.

Yosef Ha'Kohain · Aug 20, 2003

Oi you fucking redneck! If they'd of taught you to read back on the ranch you'd of read I followed the statement several times with "compared to other drugs" its not rocket science narcoticss hater.

I havent' read anyone who said they wont touch drugs, i've read 2 people who said they'd never touch ket.. Juski your a prime example of why not doing drugs fucks you up

Tell us Juski what are the authorities telling us?

Prosecutor: Parents beware of teens with pacifiers
By: Sue Kramer , Special Writer 10/31/2002

TRENTON — "Aside from all the problems you might have if your daughter is raped or sexually assaulted in some ugly fashion, kill yourself if you ever let your kid go to a teen night at an adult club.
"There is absolutely no reason on the face of the earth to have teen nights except to encourage kids to learn how to drink or put yourself in a situation where there's all kinds of dope — (they're like) open-air drug supermarkets."
With these chilling words, Terrence P. Farley, first assistant Ocean County prosecutor and director of the Ocean County Narcotics Strike Force, addressed some local Municipal Alliance members at the 12th annual Governor's Alliance Summit Oct. 21.
Mr. Farley, a well-known advocate for the prevention of substance abuse, gave the alliance members, which included Jason Fuhr of West Amwell and South Hunterdon Regional High School nurse Liz Hendricks, some critical information on a widely available and used club drug.
"If you see your child over age 2 or anybody up to about age 35 with a pacifier around their neck, or on a bracelet or carrying it in some other conspicuous way, you can pretty much be assured that person is using *******," Mr. Farley said. "It's the No. 1 piece of paraphernalia in ******* use. The reason being that ******* causes tremendous contractions of the muscles, especially of the jaw. It causes grinding of the teeth and intense pain.
He added, "So we see the kids carrying two things, pacifiers and/or blow pops, and they put them between their teeth to stop the grinding."
******* (MDMA) has been around four to five years in this country. It is a synthetic drug made from highly toxic chemicals. When ingested, it causes the brain to release large amounts of seretonin, the chemical that allows people to feel moods such as joy, love, sadness, etc. Following that release, the body stops the production of seretonin, causing major depressive states, which hit about three days after use.
One of the latest studies, in fact, projects some grim figures. Done in England, it reports hundreds of thousands of teens worldwide "will have to live on Prozac, literally, for the rest of their lives because they would not be able to produce seretonin" without it, Mr. Farley said.
When it first was introduced into this country, ******* was fairly easy to spot.
"It always was in the size and shape of an aspirin or pill," he said. "They had some kind of design or logo on them and were in a couple of different colors. Today, we see every size, color, shape and design you could imagine."
Just last year, ******* was confiscated in the form of green shamrocks in a club in Ocean County, "in advance, of course, of St. Patrick's Day," he said. "And the red hearts for Valentines Day and the Santa Clauses for Christmas."
******* also is manufactured to look like breath-freshening mints (and can be carried undetected in the tiny plastic breath mint containers), aspirin or vitamins. It can be found stamped with the Calvin Klein or any one of more than 400 other pirated logos, and it also can contain one or more additional illegal drugs.
Mr. Farley said the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) estimates 2 million ******* ***** are smuggled into the United States every week. Of that amount, 750,000 ******* ***** are filtered into what is referred to as the New York-Jersey Shore corridor, the area from New York City to Cape May. This occurs, he emphasized, every week.
With the prevalence of ******* and other club drugs such as the hallucinogenic, ketamine, an animal anesthetic also known as "K," "Special K," "Kit Kat" and ***, the most powerful hallucinogenic known, which is commonly referred to as "acid," one can only wonder what teens experience at a rave or teen club. Mr. Farley described the typical scenario.
"Your son or daughter, 13 years old, goes to a rave," he said. "A rave is a party with techno music that might last six, eight, 10 hours, up to three days. Sometimes it's in a legitimate forum, in a nightclub, in a theater or sometimes in an abandoned factory or barn where there's 50 to 60,000 kids. I've seen them look like Woodstock."
In all likelihood, he said, the first thing the teens will encounter will be people selling heavy vinyl balloons, like the ones that are sold in parking lots at rock concerts. The cost is about $5.
"That's their first hit of the night," he said. "That's nitrous oxide, an anesthetic.
"Now as you enter whatever this venue is, you're going to be literally accosted within seconds to minutes, to buy 'E,' *******, 'K,' ketamine, 'G' for ***; you name it. It's just rampant in the places where teen-agers will congregate.
"The key to all this is techno music — 200 to 300 bass beats a minute just banging the brains out. The kids are so stoned they will get up against (super large speakers) and let it bang their head all night. They're called, 'speaker treatments.'"
The girls will be scantily dressed, sometimes reminiscent of the hippie era of the '60s, he said. Teen boys, who usually arrive later in the evening, may be dressed only in baggy pants and shoes. The a reason for the dress, he said, is "because one immediate side effect of ******* is that it blows up your body temperature."
The dress, though, is only one telltale sign. The other, he said, is they will be all be sweating profusely.
******* can raise the body's temperature as high as 110 to 111 degrees, something that isn't too unusual in ******* deaths. He recalled a case of an ******* overdose victim, the only case in history, where the victim's body temperature was still 108 degrees two hours after their death.
"You're going to see bottled water all over the place," Mr. Farley continued.
Water can run as high as $14 per bottle at major events.
The first thing ******* does, he continued, is cause the user to vomit.
"So the first thing you see on the floor is a lot of vomit," Mr. Farley said. Then you see a lot of water, between the drinking of the bottled water and the sweat, because the user's body temperature is rising to 105 degrees or higher. They boil their internal organs, that's what's happening. It's an incredible death for these kids."
Along with the vomit and sweat, ******* use also causes incontinence so users urinate not only on themselves, but the floor. It also causes uncontrollable defecation.
"They call that 'disco dumping,'" Mr. Farley said.
To make matters worse, "Most of the clubs shut off the water in the bathrooms — in the toilets and in the sinks — so they'll have to buy water from them. The places are dirt holes to start with," he said. "Now we have the sensation that kids love with *******, the openness they feel. Kids feel, as shy as they are, that they can talk to anybody about anything."
The feeling of openness and wanting to communicate is enhanced by the techno music and the glow sticks that are seen everywhere.
"Something in the color of the glow sticks," he said, "makes the high higher. The other thing it does is that it gives them a change in their tactile sensation. It makes you want to be touched, and it makes you want to touch other people."
******* also enhances sex drive, but Mr. Farley points out, young men quickly find out that "the more they use it, you get a lot of drive and no ability to go anywhere. Consequently, we're now seeing a phenomenon where kids are buying thousands and thousands of Viagra tablets over the Internet and combining them with *******."
According to Mr. Farley, ******* and Viagra, in combination with amyl nitrate, sprang up first in gay communities "and thousands of gays across the world died from it."
The problem was so severe clubs in San Francisco used to post warning signs, cautioning people not to mix these three drugs.
"Now young kids everywhere are mixing them," he said.
The combination of the three causes blood pressure to suddenly drop to zero, causing instant death.
"You hit the floor, and nobody can save you under those circumstances," he said.
Ravers, at this stage of "partying," are now high on at least one drug and may have lost control of both their bladder and bowels. They are dancing on a floor that is smeared with water, vomit, urine, sweat and defecation, guzzling water and sweating profusely. Now, because of the effects of *******, they want to touch and be touched. And the boys have taken their "performance drugs."
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Vin · Aug 20, 2003

That article isnt American by any chance?

rachel · Aug 20, 2003

aw poor robbie why bring him into it all??!! he's hardly sayin stuff like that as a publicity stunt is he it isnt as if he isnt famous enough already!! as 4 the ket debate i aint gettin involved, fink it fucks u up short terms but long term wise it aint as bad as other drugs n i have a shit load of friends that are living proof to that. pills fuck u up big style so whoevers mocking robbie as if he hasnt got a clue, i think u r the ones that havent got a clue. it doesnt take decades of years of pilltaking to fuck u up, of course it doesnt i know so many people that were fucked up unbelievably as a result of a year of taking pills week afta week so dont act as if robbies just sayin it as an attention seeking stunt cos its a bit fucking obvious he aint, i head the interview on radio1 and i can say from personal experience, that everythink he said was right about how pills fuck u up ov course they do!!!xxxx

Yosef Ha'Kohain · Aug 20, 2003

Originally posted by Orbit

That article isnt American by any chance?
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yep cut off the bottom half too just edited....

Juski that was written by an authority - don't believe everything you read john boy

Yosef Ha'Kohain · Aug 20, 2003

Originally posted by rachel
aw poor robbie why bring him into it all??!! he's hardly sayin stuff like that as a publicity stunt is he it isnt as if he isnt famous enough already!! as 4 the ket debate i aint gettin involved, fink it fucks u up short terms but long term wise it aint as bad as other drugs n i have a shit load of friends that are living proof to that. pills fuck u up big style so whoevers mocking robbie as if he hasnt got a clue, i think u r the ones that havent got a clue. it doesnt take decades of years of pilltaking to fuck u up, of course it doesnt i know so many people that were fucked up unbelievably as a result of a year of taking pills week afta week so dont act as if robbies just sayin it as an attention seeking stunt cos its a bit fucking obvious he aint, i head the interview on radio1 and i can say from personal experience, that everythink he said was right about how pills fuck u up ov course they do!!!xxxx
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You what?

Artist still pull publicity stunts when they're already famous - a la eminem throwing pretendy pills into the crowd... do people not understand how the pop industry works??!??!?

Vin · Aug 20, 2003

They are publicity whores. It doesnt matter how famous they are, they are always looking for their next stunt to get in the papers. Robbie is one. Ulrika Johnson is another.

I for one am not interested. Not one bit. Didnt even read the article in the first post.

Sasha · Aug 20, 2003

Originally posted by Snack
I wouldnt touch ket....after reading about it and seeing my friends on it there'd be no chance of me even going near it
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How can u say that ket will have the same effect on you?

Drugs have a different effect on different people u cant say that everyones experiences are the same

Sasha · Aug 20, 2003

Originally posted by juski
In off the deep end again Joe... some things never change. READ everyone's posts properly instead of jumping to conclusions and ranting!
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Yosef Ha'Kohain · Aug 20, 2003

Originally posted by juski
Thinking about it for a sec - you've actually contradicted yourself... I said "if even half of what the authorities tells us is true..." then you post something from an 'authority' which is probably over-exaggerated rubbish . The first time I did summat I could well have died - who knows - I might have been one of the unlucky ones - but I didn't care about the risks, or didn't take the trouble to find out.
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How did I contradict myself - i was pointing out how unreliable a lot of propoganda is... wisen up farm boy.

Originally posted by juski
Drugs CAN be bad. They CAN be 'good'. They HAVE been proven to cause fatalities in SOME cases. As for the long-term effects - it's far too early to say. All I'm saying is folks - be careful and take time to consider that you have a risk (however small) of dropping dead, right there on the dancefloor. But that could happen anyway - you never know do you?
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Then why do u go on and on about how you laugh at people who chose to take drugs cos u don't need them... we all know you can go out without necking 9 pills... woopedy doo mate I'm impressed

As for alcohol - thats all to do with the long term effects as I'm sure you know - its a very destructive drug.

Ness · Aug 21, 2003

Originally posted by Joe
Oi you fucking redneck! If they'd of taught you to read back on the ranch you'd of read I followed the statement several times with "compared to other drugs" its not rocket science narcoticss hater.

I havent' read anyone who said they wont touch drugs, i've read 2 people who said they'd never touch ket.. Juski your a prime example of why not doing drugs fucks you up

Tell us Juski what are the authorities telling us?
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the "disco dumping" report!!!! get in, haven't read that for a while!!!

Ness · Aug 21, 2003

Originally posted by Orbit
They are publicity whores. It doesnt matter how famous they are, they are always looking for their next stunt to get in the papers. Robbie is one. Ulrika Johnson is another.

I for one am not interested. Not one bit. Didnt even read the article in the first post.
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so just coz someones famous and make a living from being in the public eye, if they speak out about a serious issue that they have personal experience of then they're just doin it to get more publicity? fukkin please! Robbie has been helping addiction societies, not to get publicity for himself, but to generate more publicity fot those groups.

just coz he's an ex-boyband popstar that lives on publicity doesn't mean he doesn't care about serious issues. but then again, seems to me that some people on this board are so shallow that they'd slate the bloke if he brought about world peace!!!

also, if u didn't read the article and don't know what he said, yet you still think you're in a position to offer an opinion then ya ignorant as well as shallow.

Snack · Aug 21, 2003

Originally posted by Ness
so just coz someones famous and make a living from being in the public eye, if they speak out about a serious issue that they have personal experience of then they're just doin it to get more publicity? fukkin please! Robbie has been helping addiction societies, not to get publicity for himself, but to generate more publicity fot those groups.

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I agree with u. I dont like robbies music very much and his attitude often grates on me but he is one of the most famous men in Britain, he is someone who can really 'speak to the youth', as so many people treat him as a role model...so why shouldnt he use his fame for something good?
If he were doing things to get more famous he would be snorting coke in stringfellows and shaggin every bird going, but he's not he's trying to help: fair play to him

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