Faith schools

I strongly believe I have a strong sense of morals and ethics, and I need one.

The problem with religion is that it's all too easy to use quotes from your text of choice to justify immoral/inethical actions.

Morals and ethics is all about determing correct course of action based on modern values and situations, and not some ancient text; therefore it's better suited to modern day ethical/moral problems.

Should we give the child a blood transfusion? Modern day values: he's going to die if we don't, let's give it. Jehovah's witness values: a text written a few thousand years ago says you shouldn't eat blood, so it's better for him to die than to break it.

Collective lunacy on a huge scale.

Then your problem isn't with faith based schools, your problem is with religion (as blood transfusions have nothing to do with faith schools).

You want to outlaw religion and force them to subscribe to your beliefs... very ethical of you andy

by the way, we're binning this forum, or maybe renaming it the andy+joe show....

we wouldn't get many viewers.

I'd like to say if this forum goes I go... but i doubt I'd have the strength to follow it through.

My problem is partly with religion that is used to justify immoral actions, and partly that taxes are spent on teaching religion, whilst facilities and other subjects are neglected.

Could you please quote where I have said 'I want to outlaw religion'.

It's better than the Moi and Sinnaz show in FAO's

i've done the same many times *sigh*

i still can't uderstnd thr cnvo leek

your taxes are spent on your childs education... why shouldn't mine be spent on my childs education?

You never once said you want to outlaw religion, I'm trying to understand why you were giving examples of the Jehovahs.

Religion may be used to justify immoral actions, but science has been used to justify much eviler actions... should we also ban science from schools?

Ban the cause not the excuse.

nobody is saying they should be denied anything !

Religion is a good concept and yes it can have good lessons but wouldnt we all be better off without the scores of different religions contradicting and inciting each other ? im not saying we all have to follow one code or rule but wouldnt it be better if we all just beleived there was another plain of exisitance that contained a higher power as that is the message all religions have in common tbh i think the stuff after that is just a whole load of bolocks made up of old wifes tales and whispers handed down from generation to generation and no one can prove otherwise !!

If I possibly can, I'll be sending my future children private, so I'll be paying twice But we're getting ahead of ourselves....

You're right to say that a lot done in the name of science in the past would never pass our ethics commitees these days. However, they have provided us with an understanding of our world that nothing else has - an understanding based on repeatable observations and the conclusions that best fits the data, and have been used to massively benefit humanity.

I don't doubt that the majority of religion is well-intentioned, but I don't think it's better than modern day ethics - only the more basic principles quoted still apply, and you have to sort of disregard the other bits as you see fit, which you can't really do so much in a philosophical discussion of the correct moral course of action.

Are you seriously saying you are happy for children in this country to be taught one religious theory (and using the example of Adam and Eve, one that is pretty widely disreharded) as fact, whilst facilities and funding in other areas are neglected? This is what happened in my brief stint in a C of E school.

That would be good, but we'd find something else that would segment the society... its human nature.

Just like you choose friends disassociate yourself from others.

"I don't think" being the opperative word (btw I'm not implying you don't thin, I'm implying its your personal opinion)... You have no right to force others to subscribe to your opinion, there exists a huge demographic that would like to see religious values instilled in their children.

I'm seriously suggesting that if the parents of a child believe in the creationist interpretation of Adam and Eve, then they have the right to edcuate that child according to their beliefs... It has nothing to do with me.

teaching creationism amounts to child abuse.

i'd probs get my kids christened but i wont be teaching them any bible teachings. i'll be making sure they are shit hot at science

Do any of the people in this thread who have decided on their children's future education have girlfriends?

free spirit

Me too

you're an arrogant twat.

Joe, I think it's fair to say that the vast majority of reasoned opinion has dismissed Adam and Eve as a reasonable theory for the beginning of the universe.

Thats the type of creationism being taught.