Faith schools

which is what I just said... what the fuck does that have to do with abiogenesis?

This was taught to me in my c of e primary school, and presented as fact, not opinion.

You think it's right to use taxpayers money to teach something to primary school children we both believe is wrong

if your parents enrolled you in a catholic school... then yes.

You asked about how light beams could create mass

About abiogenesis - self replicating chemicals prove it's possible (according to my understanding?)

Lots of energy, and lots of time means lots of chemical combinations - by sheer random luck, some of them self replicated. Leave them for millions of years, and voila. They're arguing on the internet.

They got me out, as they'd run out of books for me to read by November in my second year there

Maybe if they hadn't wasted all their money on candles and oranges for some ceremony I can't even remember the name of now.

its all the same.

e=mc explains that anything with inertial mass in this space time continuim also has energy.... this doesn't explain how energy manifested itself as matter... it simply documents that the matter in our universe has an eternal energy (or at least until this universe cease to exist).

I fail to see how this explains that highly energised light beams manifested themselves as matter... it simply doesn't.

This is sheer speculation and far more harder to comprehend than the most primitive of bible theories.

Self replicating chemicals don't explain abiogenisis, they present a possibility... nor do they explain how those self replicating chemicals came into existence.

if my mother sent me to a muslim school she could hardly act suprised when they taught me quran!

i put jedi!

but not because i'm a nerd - but because i beleved the email that went around saying that if 'x' amount of people said so - it would become a proper religion - plus i don't have any beliefs and wanted to make a bit of a point.


and ok a nerd i am.


see what i did there... it's like talking like yoda....

can't wait for one of my relatives to look up the national 2001 consensus (sp?) in a 100 years time and see 'JEDI'

It's a pity that our village didn't have 5 different schools, accomodating major religions + those of no religion.

Basic primary schooling should be free of religion; children that age aren't equipped to make their own decisions. If later in life, parents wish to have their children taught whatever it is they wish to believe, then let them pay for it themselves; not the already overburdened tax payer.

The money is better spend teaching the theories that have the best evidence - ie science, history, maths, in the eyes of most reasoned people.

Who are you to dictate how and what children should be taught?

You can't even justify your own blind leaps of faith.

My children will recieve a Jewish education, who the fuck are you to tell me that your way is better? Faith schools work, I know plenty of non-religious parents who send their children to faith schools as the faith schools tend to produce better results.

Errrm, citizens of this country are perfectly entitled to indicate preference on how their tax should be spent.

The majority of people don't believe a single religious theory.

Why should we pay for it to be taught?

You can pay for your children to have a Jewish education if you wish - provided they understand that it's only one theory - I don't see why taxes should go on this, instead of some more Bunsen burners or books for another school.

I've yet to see the evidence that any better results faith schools achieve are due to faith, and not selection of children. To prove it, you'd have to do a huge study randomising children to 2 schools, 1 faith, 1 not, identically funded and with randomised teacher groups and identical facilities.

41 million british citizens registered as christian in the 2001 census.

Only 40 of the 7000 faith schools weren't christian.

Please stop posting fabrications.

Why should over 41 million people be denied the right to have the children educated according to their beliefs?

we pay the same taxes as you.

I was referring to the world when I spoke of 'people' (though I accept this wasn't clear), and all it's glorious heterogeneity in beliefs. They simply can't all be right, and that means that the majority are wrong. I don't accept that the majority of people in this country think God created Adam and Eve, and believe Dinosaurs are some sort of fabrication - more 'picking and choosing' bits from your favourite religious text, as more of it is proven to be ridiculous.

I find it absurd that you're happy to have your taxes spent on teaching things to primary children you openly think are wrong.

Come on mate you dont beleiev for one minute there are 41 million devout christians in brittain do you ? infact i would guess maybe nowhere near half of them actually give a fuck about religion . our entire population is only 60.2 million !

lol there are far more religious people than non religious people in the world?!? secularism is a modern western concept.

That aside, what the fuck does the global non-religious community have to do with British tax payers and how our children should be educated?

Again you're being super arrogant; who are you to determine what the christian religion is (adam and eve is open to interpretation from every sect and individual in christianity), what a faith school teaches and what the 41 million christians take from their religion?

We live in a free society Andy and to force such a huge demographic to subscribe to your beliefs is borderline fascism.

if they class themselves as christian, there is the chance that they may want there children raised with christian values.... otherwise why would they class themselves christian?

Values is the key word there mate . Morals and values should be the common ground for religions but there are so many different spins that can be put on it .

Imo a society without religion but with faith would make a better world completley .

but thats your opinion, my opinion is that a society with the culture (it goes beyond, morals, values, ethics and guidelines) that religion can offer would bring us much closer to utopia.

But the beauty of England is you're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine, if someone wants their child raised as a christian why should they be denied that right?