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Anderzz · May 7, 2007

Talk to frank website was more like a checklist for me

Rossy · May 7, 2007

Originally posted by Yosef Ha'Kohain
lol rossy ethanol is vital to our survival, we create it internally.

And no-one drinks pure ethanol, to talk about the benefits of alcohol you'd have to talk about each individual drink as each one carries different properties and originated from different sources....
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If we create something as a by-product it doesn't mean it's vital to our survival. Ingesting alcohol is completely unnecesary.

You said we depend on the consumption of natural produce (like fruit) and that alcohol is one of these substances. However, it is not a fruit it is a chemical and we do not depend on its consumption at all. An alcoholic drink is not vital to our survival anyway, as any important chemicals are a product of the fruit which can be obtained elsewhere.

andy_rocks · May 7, 2007

Originally posted by Rossy
Is it this one?
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I've just dug up the paper and here are the images, but I'm fucked if I can work out whats going on in them so I'll have to trust the analysis

On the left, FA, ADC, and rCBV maps with brain regions, that significantly differed between baseline and follow-up (uncorrected for multiple comparisons), marked in white. On the right, columns reflect corresponding FA values in the centrum semiovale, ADC values in the thalamus, and rrCBV values in thalamus, dorsolateral frontal gray matter. and superior parietal gray matter at baseline before (XTC-) and at follow-up after ecstasy use (XTC+). Results represent meanplusminusSEM; *=p<0.05. Only significant results are shown, for complete results of all analyses see Table 2. Note that the vertical axis does not start at zero.
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Rossy · May 7, 2007

Originally posted by andy_rocks
I've just dug up the paper and here are the images, but I'm fucked if I can work out whats going on in them so I'll have to trust the analysis
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All brain scans that show brain damage after use (MDMA) have been discredited as far as I know as there is currently no evidence to show brain damage (and never likely to be with such infrequent use (5 doses) ).

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_neurotoxicity3.shtml
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle-old/257/fullofholes.shtml
http://healthpsych.psy.vanderbilt.edu/ECSTASY.htm

The long-term effects of ecstasy are still largely unknown and are the source of heated debates among scientists. One source of the problems is that there are so many myths involving ecstasy, which will be dealt with in a later section. Another problem is that there have been some highly publicized scandals involving scientific studies of ecstasy. The most famous scandal involved a paper written by Dr. George Ricaurte et al., which discussed the effects of MDMA on primates. The report claimed that monkeys, which were administered MDMA, suffered severe brain damage, which lead to death in two of the monkeys. This article appeared in “Science”, a widely respected peer review journal, in 2003. It was later retracted when it was discovered that the monkeys had not been administered MDMA at all, but a higher level methamphetamine. This was supposedly done due to a labeling error, but the scandal was a huge blow to MDMA research.
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Myth #3 “Ecstasy burns holes in your brain” Again, this myth was popularized by Oprah, as well as an MTV special on Ecstasy. On the MTV special, a young woman that had heavily used ecstasy in the past was given a brain scan that appeared to show large holes in her brain. In actuality what was seen in the scan was the amount of blood flow to different areas of the brain. The “holes” were simply areas receiving less blood flow. Another reason for the spread of this myth is Ricaurte’s study involving the monkeys, which was discussed earlier (see long-term effects section).
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Phil Mitchell · May 7, 2007

rule 1: the only thing that should be done in buckets is tac/skunk.....definitely avoid doing tobacco and cowies in a b

Chewy · May 7, 2007

Originally posted by Phil Mitchell
rule 1: the only thing that should be done in buckets is tac/skunk.....definitely avoid doing tobacco and cowies in a b
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i did mdma once and it was lush

welshman · May 8, 2007

Originally posted by andy_rocks
They're all potentially dangerous.

Alcohol in moderation isn't dangerous. There isn't a safe dose of ecstasy/cocaine (unless it was so small as to have no effect which sort of defeats the object).

I'm not arguing 'against' drugs, just that people should know what might happen
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A point to nte is, when you're drinking alcohol, you know what you're getting... in a pill you don't... that's why some are shit and some are mint!

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