Dawkins getting slaughtered

I think that in that statement is the difference between right wing and left wing thought.
The right act from fear of man, and a belief in his inherent propensity for being bad. The left act from hope, and the belief that man is inherently good.

I guess your formative experiences lead you to one camp or the other. I prefer the hope, but feel that the Daily Mail fear driven view of the world is in the ascendent. Organised religion is nearly always right wing

lol great theory but a large proportion of the worlds leading left wing thinkers... believed the above.

Jewish thought was the biggest influencing factor in sculpt left wing philosphy.

You just talk shit mate.

an influencing factor mate. don't flatter yourself

?!?!??

Trotksy, Marx, Luxembourg.... You clearly have little knowledge on the development of left wing thought.

But even if it were only an "influencing factor" (which is bullshit) then it blows your previous statement out of the water.

I said they were affected (negatively) by religion, a fact you seek to deny

Even a fundamentalist like you cannot look at the middle east's situation and say that religion has played no part in it.

Thats like saying weapons have played a part in it.

Of course religion has played a part, it has been a weilded as weapon... Howevr it was not the influencing factor in the conflict - the struggles are geographical ones fought over borders drawn by men.

I reckon we should call this a day, as you're not going to udnerstand the complexity of the middle east until you read a few books - you certainly wont learn anything from me

I wonder if Rosa Luxembourg believed that man was inherently evil and needed religion to control him get your brain in gear before you spout such rubbish

well thats a fact. I'll leave you to continue your in depth insights into the 'middle eastern mindset'
which you consider the cause of it all.
racist.

Rosa Luxemburg was Jewish, her religion may of played little part in her life; but it scultped her mindset and she still held onto some of her beliefs... she was opposed to organised religion (especially the church).

I'm of the middle eatsern mindset you tool.

am I racist against myself?

If Palestinians were atheists, do you think they would be blowing themselves up in israeli bus stations Joe?

retarded argument, japanese have me killing themselves for years.

You also overlook the fact pre-Hamas the palestinian "liberation" movement was secular... the PLO wasn't islamic

Well, it's not really because their reasoning behind it comes from scripture.

Rather like the Israeli claims to that particular patch of desert.

Trotski Marx and Luxembourg were Jewish and so my point about religion being inherently right wing is false you say. And in the next breath you are admitting that they were non religious ( I would say anti-religious)

Stick to the Torah mate. You can make that say anything you want it to.

where in the israeli constitution, decleration of independence or UN resolutions foes it mention biblical scruptire?

love to see this

well it doesn't. but you must know you are being disingenuous by pretending that the scriptures have nothing to do with the fact that there is a jewish state in Israel. The reason there is no mention of the scriptures in the israeli constitution and declaration of independence, as I'm sure a great scholar of history such as yourself will know is that the tensions in the Jewish community between the secularists and the religious were unable to be resolved in any form of words that was acceptable to both sides. so they simply left it out. doesn't mean that it wasn't there.

And I don't think think that the UN goes in for scriptural references either.

lol this simply isn't true, the religious jews were against the creation of Israel as it goes against our scripture....

The re-establishment of Israel has nothing to do with scipture, there is a clearly document and preserved history of the Jews living in Israel up to its re-establishment.... this has nothing to do with our scripture.

so god said 'you know the promised land? well don't go there.

hmmm