children binge on 50p ecstasy tablets

What do you mean "giving a child 600MG"? You're making it sound like I've been dishing it out in the school playgrounds.

I don't see what you being fat has anything to do with this.

To clarify: A thirteen year old COULD take 20 pills and live through it and suffer no long term health problems, especially if they were as weak as Brid said. They could also die from secondary effects or be unfortunate enough to be under the LD50 range and die of an overdose.

This is my only point and I don't see how anyone can disagree with it. To state that they simply could not handle this dose is absurd. I know of people that young that have done so in the past so quite obviously people do survive doses like this all the time, especially if the original link in this thread that was "promoting drugs in an educated and sensible manner" is anything to go by which according to you it obviously is.

NO THEY DID NOT THEY WOULD BE DEAD AND MENTALISTS BY NOW!!!

I'd have thought that it was obvious that I was talking about neuro-toxicity judging by the content of my post and the fact that you've just tried to prove that MDMA is neuro-toxic. Stop resorting to pedantry.

Even though there are studies to suggest it might be toxic and I actually agree that it probably is nuero-toxic for heavy long term users there is still no evidence to show that it will cause neuro-toxic and non-reversible brain damage. It has simply not been proven.

Er... I know this and this has been one of my main points all along. The chances that someone would actually die from an overdose are NOT that high and secondary effects would most likely claim a life first.

I am not suggesting they'd be fine but I know that depending on certain variables as mentioned before it's very fucking possible that they could survive and do as experience with knowing living examples would prove to me.

EMBRACE THAT FACT.

Where did I in anyway imply that it was SAFE? I said that a child could most likely survive the experience, based on the fact that they DO because I know people who have done. Obviously that doesn't make it safe it just completely validates the fact that a child COULD live through it.

No I didn't because there is obviously a chance that they MIGHT not be fine, a tiny little chance, but 600mg of MDMA is fuck all even for a young teen.

Yes they should seriously reconsider whether they should be doing it at that age but in realistic terms 600MG of MDMA is bollocks all. It's the equivalent of about five decent pills which I know for a fact is well below the expected human LD50 of MDMA. Whether or not they are uneducated about the risks enough to not drink any water or similiar, and induce a dangerous SECONDARY symptom is completely different and maybe someone would even be unlucky enough to hit the LD40 but that yet again is a completely different thing.

I'm not sure of the exact LD50 in humans, but from the various estimates based on that of rats and primates that I've read about, even if you were to actually halve it that 600MG would still be a fair amount away. I've heard of it being around 2 grams at once, which is obviously a fair amount away from 600MG's over the course of a night.

Before you make any claims by the way I am not saying it is safe, advisable or guaranteed to happen every time.

WOW YOU ARE THE MAN!! Sure told me.

Just because you can work out an approximate for one young girl it hardly means that you can assume it would be the same for every other person on the planet.

http://www.bluelight.nu/vb/showthread.php?postid=1598943#post1598943

Someone that I can guarantee knows more about brain neurology and MDMA than either of us ever will.

You condescending twat.

Why would I do that I already know it isn't safe. However, I'm sure that a thirteen year old would walk away from twenty 30MG pills with his life. It isn't that much really is it?

I don't even know the bloke but know he's more capable of estimating something like that than you ever will be.

Halve the LD50 for adults did you say? 60MG/KG? Great I'm going to get well wankered next time then.

I'll think of you when my neurons are melting, if I can remember that is.

9.6 gram isn't all that much and it would only be the rate at which 50% of them died. Plus the fact primates tend to weigh quite an amount. Still leaves me thinking that even a young teenagers would be higher than what you seem to think.

To be honest I don't really give a shit anymore, I can't believe I wasted my time actually caring this afternoon.