children binge on 50p ecstasy tablets

Could be easily done by a lot of people. I'm sure that there are a lot of people out there who've done 20+ in a night and plenty more that do two or three.

HOLD THE FRONT PAGE: "People who do drugs love doing loads"

The media are wankers.

if theres only 20-40mg of mdma in a rubbish pill, then twenty of those is only 400-800mg odd.

people can do up to 1-2g's of mdma crystals a night so assuming the pills are just weak as piss and not cut with anything dangerous, its not a big deal in all honesty

He hardly said that.

Im not encouraging drug use - im just saying that the media love to jump on the number of 'pills' people do, as opposed to the quantity of actual stuff in them.

Stop busting my chops Joe, its nearly the weekend

Depending on age and tollerance, I'm sure there would be loads of kids out there who could handle the amount he mentioned although it would be a bit reckless to do so. I certainly know of people who have done at 13 - 14.

30 MG's MDMA into 20 pills would come out at 600MG MDMA which isn't really that heavy an amount at all. Assuming your average decent pill has about 100 MG's, and some people due to tollerance can need 200 - 300 MG's to get a threshold dose I'd reckon that a young teenager would most likely come out of it alive.

MDMA is generally quite a forgiving drug in that it's not going to poison your body untill it shuts down unlike some substances, it's usually going to be the secondary effects that kill someone. The lethal doseage range is very high.

It depends what you mean by fine. Would they be absolutely fucked? Yes but that doesn't necessarily mean it would be dangerous. Yes they'd be wankered, yes they'd most likely feel shit the day after but it doesn't mean they've taken a lethal dose or will suffer long term health problems. Reckless but probably not deadly.

I'm not saying this makes it okay but at the same time I think it's upto the thirteen year olds in question to make that desicion, not me.

Also, I don't think they're "promoting drugs in an educated and sensible manner". They are making a pointless statement.

Children are doing 20 pills a night. And? What's the point of that article? To inform parents? What difference does it make. Websites like erowid, bluelight and ecstasydata promote drugs in a sensible manner. They actually provide worthwile information. I can see absolutely no use for this article other than to fill an empty space.

The current studies are pointing towards *long term* use causing problems in people.

Therefore we can only assume 600 MG's of MDMA over the course of a night would not cause long term damage, even in a child.

Depends what you mean by mental. Assuming that you're talking about schizophrenia saying that it DOES make you 'go mental' is a bit of a sweeping statement. Drugs can trigger psycosis hence unless you are already capable you would not "go mental". Problems maybe but not neccesarily a mental episode.

I do not have an idealistic view I'm just defending Brids original statement which I think was a valid point and not in anyway implying "giving children ecstasy is a great idea".

MDMA may well not be neuro toxic at all and mescaline is not toxic whatsoever. Also to say that a thirteen year old is half the size of an adult is bollocks so the LD50 would not just be half.

The fact remains that MDMA has a very high LD50 and that it is quite possible that 20 pills (depending on content, tollerance and doseage times) may well not kill a thirteen year old. Surely if that article had any validity it would support this.

The secondary effects may well get someone with MDMA, but unlike vodka it would not be poisoning and I am not talking about that. I am talking about the lethal dose which is very high and that is a fact.

Of course my views on long/short term effects are questionable, there is no solid evidence to support any of the long/short term effects of MDMA. It's all questionable, your views included.