Books?

Although Dawkins does try to destroy the various faiths shall we say credibility, the underlying argument he uses is there is no evidence for religeon apart from a book that was written a long time ago.

Show me evidence that god really does exist and l will happy re-examine my beliefs. At the moment theres nothing to convice me to belive in religeon so l dont. Ive been an athiest since l was 18 but l keep an open mind, do you?

I was an athiest for 22 years, so I imagine my mind was open enough to revise my views.

Science and religion are two seperate things and shouldn't be reviewed in the same manner... Science is excellent for explaining how things work it is terrible for explaining people as emotional beings and the unobservable (like the origins of existence).

Without batting an eyelid Dawkins makes assumptions which are as unprovable as the existence of G-d, for instance he puts forward the the theory that any entity which brought the universe into existence would have to be a more simpler form... However this is complete speculation based on an obersvable phenomenon within this universe (evolution)... Dawkin can no more prove this than I can prove G-d... Both are acts of faith.

Atheism is as much an act of faith as Religion, unless you can prove that the universe was a self creating entity then you cannot state that it wasn't created by a force extternal to it.

As l'm sure you'll know all atheism means is a general disbelief in gods in anyform. I see no evidence that there are any gods so l choose not to belive them.

As you say no-one can currently prove how the universe was created and l dont try to either, the big bang theory is exactly that a theory. I think it will take alot longer than our own livetimes, l expect to finally know (If even the human brain can comprehend it) how/what/when the universe was created but unlike religeon which says categorically it happened a certain way, no if, no but's

Unfortunatly the monotheistic faiths which Dawkins attacked do no categorically explain how it happened; they merely say that the G-d of the Hebrews brought the universe into existence... The Torah/Quran/Bible doesn't attempt to explain what that G-d is nor do they attempt to explain the science behind creation.

The disputable aspect of religion isn't to do with disproving the existence of a G-d (this is the folly of fools), rather it is to do with the religious experiences individuals encountered: did 6,000,000 Hebrews witness G-d at sinai, did Muhammed speak for G-d, was Jesus the son of G-d? This is an area which man can observe to a degree through the archeological record.

Atheism is the folly of fools, attacking the credibility of religous stories contained within holy scripture is a more worthy persuit.

its been a while

for the record Im reading One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest, Java Precisely: Second Edition and The Undercover Economist (written by thebiggest now it all ever)

I think you might be mistaking me for Richard Dawkins which to disapoint you l'm not. You make the mistake that all atheists attack religeon, Dawkins even urges people to do so in his book, but l'm not that sort of athiest. I enjoyed his book it doesnt mean l agree with it 100%. I dont belive in any sort of gods end of story. l dont wait outside of Churches, Synagogs etc and harang the people coming out or going in.

lol, I was commenting on your critique of dawkins book.... I thought it was trash and I explained why I thought it was trash - I assumed you were defending it

I still think faith schools are an outrage
http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,2179771,00.html

dont send your kids to one then.

they all have to have prayers and an 'act of worship'. If you are atheist you have no choice

prayers and acts of worship are kind of the point of faith schools; any parent sending their children to a faith school and expecting anything other than the above is missing the point

no I'm on about all state schools. they all have to have this lump of religious propaganda whether the parents want it or not

im sure there was something on the sky at night ages ago where three telescopes in the dakota desert managed to capture the light that was still eminating from the big bang.

oh had on wasnt this a thread about books and not religion...



you can tell someone's back.