To be fair Miller, winning the premiership is only a race between a handful of teams, has been for the last few years! Houllier done a pretty good job i recon, won a handful of trophys didn't he ? What exactly did Bobby win for Newcastle ?
It would only of been a matter of time before we started winning! He hasn't lost it, even though some people may think he has. Maybe he had to go, but it's still a very sad day imo!
He still took them down a level though. He had the backbone of a very good team there, but he didn't make them any better at all! He made them worse, exactly what Dlaglish did to Newcastle after Keegan. He may of won them a few cups, but ask a Liverpool fan if he did well, if he made them into a better team, they will say no! Bobby took over at a time when we were looking like a relegated side! Some of the players we had at the club at that time were not good enough for the Conference, nevermind the Champions League! He got rid of the dead wood, got some good young British players into the side, with not too much money. Houllier had some fantastic players already there, all he had to do was buy a few quaility additions, and he would of had a top 3 side at least. I can't see how you can say Houllier did a better job at Liverpool, than Bobby at the Toon!
yeh its sad because hes a legend in the game, would have liked to see him leave under better circumstances.
agreed Liverpool were potential champions... Houllier achieved minor success, but left them trailing behind Man U and Arsenal and then Chelsea. This is Liverpool... one of the most successful and high profile clubs, not just in England, but in Europe... they should be better than fighting for 4th place.
How did he make Liverpool worse? Before he came they were finishing 3rd most seasons, this was still the same after he came, its only been recently sinse Chelsea have came onto the scene that they have dropped down to finishing 4th, which is still a place in the champions league Its gonna be a while till teams can challenge the likes of Arsenal and Chelsea And winning trophys is not a sign of a shit manager. I dont think Bobby did all that much to turn Newcastle around, sure he got rid of some players and brought in some new blood, but the real problem was that there was no real desire in the camp to do anything, was just a case of making the players realise the potential they had.
You are just not getting the point I am making! Bobby did a better job because he took a bottom 3 side, and turned them into a top 3 side in a couple of years. Houllier took a top 3 side and turned them into a top 5 side. Ask a Liverpool fan if they thought by the time he left, weather they were in a better positon, or had a better team, I bet you they would say no!
The way Bobby Robson has been treated is a disgrace. He rescued Newcastle from definate relagation and a club in turnmoil to a top 4 team, champions league football, uefa cup semi finalists and a bright young exciting team. I think Shearer has a lot to do with this decision to sack Robson just like he did when Gullit was sacked. Sly Shearer and Sly Shepard run Newcastle United!
To be fair tho Robson didnt take newcastle from relegation fodder to champions league team etc.......... Isnt it the case that when he took over they were already in the champs league and now they are struggling? :spangled:
I am a Liverpool fan Your right, they probably arent any stronger now than before he came, but you were saying Houlier took them a step back, thats the thing i dissagree with as i really dont think they are poorer now than before, i think its a case of the teams above us getting better I see what you mean when you say Liverpool 'should' be a top of the table team, no denying that but unless we get some Russion squillionair to buy the club it just aint gonna happen, regardless of who the manager is
no your wrong mate Newcastle werent in the champions league they were in the uefa cup. They failed to win a game in there last 7 games in the 98/99 season and there first 7 games in the 99/2000 season which rightly saw Gullit sacked and Robson put charge. 14 games without shows the club was on its arse and heading for relegation, Robson sorted the club out from top to bottom and if you look at some of there results and performances in champions league and uefa cup and in the premiership i think he done a really good job and deserved better.
I'm still waiting to be 'pleasantly surprised' by Mr Shepherd's plan after selling Woodgate. If his plan was to sack Sir Bob 24 hrs before the transfer deadline and use that as an excuse to not buy a replacement for Woody, then he is an even bigger knob than I thought.. note, that's IS not HAS.
Not really tho, Arsenal were a good side, never an excellent side and there was the likes of Liverpool, Leeds and Manchester United and for 2-3 Seasons Blackburn better than them. They have never spent squillions on players but found a manager however arrogant the **** is :evil: that can bring the best out of potential stars or unknowns and turned a team who were always good into a team that is great. Its not about spending money Houllier done plenty of that, but got nowhere, where as Wenger never and achieved loads, Just as Curbishley and Allardyce have done at littler clubs with no money but without the real recognition. Houllier
