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I think you need to consider how you would like the international community to respond if parts of Israel were occupied by Palestinian forces, and Israeli civlians were dying at their checkpoints for the want of basic medical attention.

I'd expect my government to end their war and seek peace.

But there is a war in Israel and the Palestinian authority does not want peace... These are the facts and we must deal with this reality... The international community must handle the conflict in a just and proportionate manner.

It does not and your prejudice prevents you from accepting this.

I don't believe that if there were a disproportionate number of UN resolutions against Palestinians perpetrating human rights abuses against Israeli civilians that you would be opposing this.

My impression from the speakers who had visited was that in fact the Palestinian people do want peace, or rather they want freedom from the undeniable restrictions placed upon their lives at the moment.

The current Palestinian regime is an unfortunate consequence of the lack of progress from the previous regime in improving human rights and conditions, which should have been exploited by Israel and the international community. If the fictitious Palestinian occupation had lasted as long as the Israeli, would you really be proposing to continue diplomatic action over military? I suspect not in view of your unwavering support of Israeli military action in the past, regardless of civilian suffering, and proposals for further military action against Iran.

Andy what does the israeli/palestinian military action have to do with what I posted?

I was highlighting the overt antisemitism that exists within the UN, a body which was established to mediate in times of conflict.

Your hatred of Israel prevents you from even recognising this gross injustice.... I am concerned with peace - like most Zionists I hope for a peaceful solution - I am not interested in pointing fingers.... I am interested in finding peace.

Israel & Palestine need organisations like the UN to mediate the conflict in an unbiased way... Because of the antisemitism that exists within the organisation this is impossible.

Your refusal to deal with this topic is a testament to your bigoted bias against Israel.

If the situation was an Iranian occupation of Israel, I sincerely doubt that you would be on here complaining about there being too many UN resolutions against Iranian troops killing Israeli civilians. If you were an Israeli citizen, and you had to queue for 8 hours at an Iranian checkpoint that wasn't there yesterday in order to get medical attention, I doubt you'd stand there saying 'well, it's a time of war, it's necessary I suppose'.

My positions would be exactly the same - opposition of human rights violations unless the alternative was clearly worse. Yet you call me the biased one?

I don't know why you expect me to fight the UN's corner; I'm not a member of the UN, I haven't been involved in any of its decisions, I'm not particularly familiar with its history, and to be perfectly honest I'm struggling to see what intervention they could do that would improve the situation? What ideally would the UN specifically do to resolve the situation?

I mean, on the one side, you've got the Israelis who firmly believe that there is a deity who gave the land to them, and that killing others is OK in order to defend it. On the other side, you've got the Arabs who believe exactly the same thing equally strongly. I simply don't see how this is going to be resolved.

More bullshit from you andy, Israel is a secular state created by athiest and governed by a secular government! Fatah is also a nationalist movement and islam has only recently been introduced to the conflict in the shape of Hamas....

Your over simplifcation of a complex conflict allows one to understand why you fail to grasp the basics of this struggle... instead you post up provocative posts in which you attempt to besmirch Israel in the hope of getting a rise out of me.

The UN and their bias is not only at the heart of the middle eastern conflict, but it is also at the heart of our dispute... The UN is widely recognised as an anti-Israeli body; you continuelly chant that Israel is commiting human rights violations and cite UN resolutions as your proof of this.

Yet you half admit that the UN is a biased organisation... how can any of their findings be submited as credible evidence if they are not speaking from a central position?

You cannot hold one nation up to a standard you do not expect from the rest of the world... its racist and wrong.

I'm sorry, but don't you think it's hard to imagine a secular humanist blowing themselves up in market? Isn't it tricky to think of them taking potshots at other secular humanists from their settlements? I rather thought not when I pondered it earlier.

I didn't cite UN resolutions as my evidence, I cited the first hand experience of 3 intelligent and rational people, of whom I have a great deal of respect if you bother to check the previous page.

I haven't half admitted the UN is biased, I haven't said anything of the sort. I've said that I oppose human rights violations, I oppose them regardless of who performs them, I expect a high standard of human rights observance from everyone, but especially first world governments and their agents. I do not think it is inappropriate for there to be UN resolutions against the perpertrators of human rights abuses. Your failure to condemn the killing and oppression of innocents by Israel repulses me, but allows me to better understand the nature of the conflict. I condemn it on either side.

Are you saying that the UN probably should have filed more resolutions against other human rights violaters? If so we agree.

Or are you saying that they should not have filed them against Israel for some of the things they did? In which case, can you please cite the resolutions, and why the action condemned was justifiable.

what I'm saying is quite clear... The UN should treat Israel in the same light it treats the rest of the world.

Are you suggesting that until the election of Hamas the PA was islamic?!?!?

Then we agree entirely.

Israel should be held accountable for the human rights abuses it perpetrates, as I would expect England to be held accountable if we were doing to the Scottish what Israel is to the Palestinians.

What is Israel doing andy?

more human rights violations from israel:

A bullet-proof Israeli ambulance last week entered the West Bank city of Ramallah to save a six-month old baby who was in critical condition after inhaling toxic substances.

This was the first time an Israeli ambulance had entered into Palestinian territory for six years. After Israeli ambulances were attacked by Hamas and Fatah gunmen, in recent years they would only go as far as the Israeli army checkpoints, where they would pick up Palestinian patients in need of medical care in Israel.

The paramedics evacuated the unconscious baby, just a few hours after two other babies, who went to the same daycare center as the boy, died of similar symptoms. Upon arriving in Ramallah, the ambulance was escorted by a convoy of Palestinian police, who accompanied it all the way to the hospital, and blocked roads to ensure it got through safely.

The baby along with his parents was taken to the Chaim Sheba Medical Center at Tel Hashomer in central Israel after receiving a special permit from the Israeli army due to his serious condition.