Jack vs Jamesclimax, can you not have a discussion on a message board without hurling abuse at each other? Both of your arguments are flawed and you both make yourselves sound like idiots.
If nobody is effected by illegal downloads then how come they are illegal???? The difference between a mix recorded in a club and a mix cd is that mixes recorded in a club dont cost anything, whereas a mix cd / album has cost the label a lot of money (dj fee, artwork, pressing, distribution, licensing, promotion) and they need to rely on sales of that album to recoup the costs. For every one that is illegally downloaded that's one less to recoup the costs and so on. If everybody illegally downloaded mix cd's / albums then eventually there wouldnt be any coz there'd be no way to make the money back. Simple as.
artwork, pressing, distribution and licensing don't effect online sales... its unfair of you to use these in your equation. I think the music industry is massively over paid... why should elton john £30 on shopping in 2 years while thousands of superior musicians struggle to pay for their electricity? Why should record labels cream millions from artists while they get paid tupence? I enjoy downloading music for free.
Illegally downloading something for free isnt online sales Like I said, if it's ok then why are there illegal download sites?
you really are an utter cock arent you. the next card youll be playing is that pirated media funds terrorism
will you shut up with your fucking 'illegal this, illegal that'. 3/4 of this board like to indulge themselves with 'illegal' drugs on a weekend. nobody gives a fuck about whats illegal, its a matter of personal choice
but if he's downloaded it for free he hasn't stolen any of the above. if he'd lifted it form a shop you'd have a valid argument - but he hasn't.
not true - it's all still paid for (studio costs, etc) Me too, but that's got nowt to do with it?? Nobody gets ripped off with that do they? Im looking at it from a business point of view, if that's alright with everyone
so what is there thats so bad about torrent sites? illegal?? that doesnt make it a terribly morally wrong thing now does it
They weren't the costs you mentioned... at least construct a consistant argument. I'll pay to see a band/dj live, but I'm fucked if I'm paying to line the pockets of record execs.... There are far more noble causes.
FFS didnt realise I had to spell the whole thing out. How exactly am I being greedy? Would you be happy if someone was taking something from you for free without permission?
You greedy cock. I bet you support a privatised health system and I bet would impose taxes on fat folk. There are certain things that should be provided to the masses free of charge: health education art Why should I pay to listen to your mundane tunes? If you're making music for the money you're in it for the wrong reasons brother. ps. I'm off to download your entire back catalogue free of charge
have you fucking heard yourself you jerk, its a bit fucking music that someone else composed anyway, and you think its all about YOU!!
Im not in it for the money, never said I was. Like I said, would you be happy if somebody was taking something from you without permisson?
im going to spend a whole week burning it to CD-R, then next weekend im going to hand it out in the to all the oppressed citizens of the Repuplic of Newcastle