Ableton.

whats Ableton to write music? I bought Logic a while back but most tutors that I speak to are all using Ableton to produce?

really easy to get decent results....version 7 is 10x better than any other previous version theyve released

I may have to give this a shot, for some reson theres a lot more folk who I speak to using Ableton to produce & edit tracks, im always hitting brick walls with Logic without knowing anyone (at reasonable prices) to help me out.

there's some good tutorials out there for logic, but its like anything else, you have to learn to use it rather than look for the easy way around

i started using cakewalk (to make beats/loops) about 10 years ago and found it a bit shite, then moved on to cubase and got in to that a bit, but as soon as i looked at ableton, i was hooked - its so fast at everything, you just have to find a work flow that suites you, then you're away

i still do a lot of my audio editing in sound forge - i just find it faster for the way i work

i loved the learning curve of ableton for the first few months

Thats my biggest downfall man, I have no patience, if I get stuck I cant pick up a book & take myself through things step by step, I need someone to show me until I can do it, or see a video until I can mimmick it. Silly I know as im always gunna be at the same level & get stuck with the same problems.

Im definitely gunna give Ableton 7 a blast I think, would Ableton recognise Virus's id use for Logic as normal?

There are lots of free courses for Ableton around, check them out.. haven't been on any but going to sign up and get learning

i always thought ableton was a dj software not a production tool as well . i wonder how many djs make a killer demo on the software then turn up with cd;s/records,and just fuck up alot

May as well just turn up with a laptop, its gonna sound a lot better

i heard mark broom at the glade at glasto,good acid house and so on, but the old eyes at a lap top screen next to 3 unused decks and a few cdjs just put me off .

was good set,just not realy good,and not having any headphones

a good way to cover up crap bedroom dj'n skills?

I'm all for people using ableton to be creative and make a sound mroe interesting, but i hate seeing people mix without headphones. It just doesnt feel right

I saw Monoblock, Paul Ritch, Tractile and they were all ace live without headphones/using ableton. I dont really watch the dj its just the music im into...

its all about the music, but there is something about a dj not using headphones thats just wrong imo. Lets not get mixed up here, someone playing live with ableton is totally different to someone djing with it

like i've said i'm all for people using ableton to be creative, but how can you be creative and on the fly without headphones? it just makes it look like they are playing a set they've already recorded.

You can warp loops and samples on the fly, you can use headphones with Ableton although theres really no need...

yeah but thats my point, i'd rather see someone putting some effort into it rather than just clicking away on a laptop
but thats just a personal view, like you said not everyone looks at the dj. so as long as the music coming out of the speakers is good then happy days (i've always said this).

Ableton is a wonderfull piece of kit and i've played around with it myself, there is just something about a dj not using headphones that i personally feel is wrong

Aye fair enough. Each to their own and that. I guess my opinion is different as I use Ableton a lot like

Dont think using Ableton in a club is really necessary unless you are playing live.

Looping 4 tracks and wacking aload of effects over the top usually sounds like a mess and anything less can be done on 3 decks by anyone who can beathmatch. Plus jumping from genre to genre (which loads of people say ableton is good for) never really works in a club environment unless done by some seriously gifted djs like Giles Peterson or Theo Parrish; neither of them use Ableton.

Im all for people trying new stuff but playing off a computer with a midi controller in a club is a bit naff imo.