16 year old in drug related death

Hilarious.

you both are you should team up and become a circus act.. would be great entertainment for all ur fellow retarded friends!

What you have said is one of the thickest things ive ever heard! No matter how much you take, your doing yourself damage, so even knowing your limits isnt going to help you. Also when your on whatever your on, your less likely to know your limitations and think your fine. All those people who have died from dehydration when on pills probably thought they were tip top!
If you talking abouy shrooms, and any other hallucanagenics you cant protect yourself. They can work off your subconcious and make you have a bad trip.
Imo theres no point in taking them (except the green)

thats ur opinion i cant comment on trippy drugs coz ive never taken them but with regards to pills,i personally feel more in control of myself when im on them than when im mortal drunk,when im drunk im aggressive nasty and have no control (hense i don't drink),but with xtc from experience i know that so many spaced out through out a night is my limit but like i said thats from experience and SENSIBLE drug takers DO KNOW their limits.. in the 6 yrs ive taken them ive never once had a bad time because i know how to look after myself!

Theres no such thing!
If you were sensible you wouldnt take them (I dont mean just you).
Also, you dont no where theyve come from, you dont no if some prick has added something in there to fill them up that guna kill you!

which i completely agree with you as i did state that fact in my 1st post about it bein a risk etc.. but if we goin to do it then at least be educated on how to look after yourself whilst doing it.

its like havin unprotected sex they educate kids to use condoms and setting up needle clinic for heroin addicts if they gonna do illegal things then people need to be educated.

i think 'having a bad time' is a slight understatement when talking about someone dying from their use!

any drug that screws with you body's homeostatic balance can never be reguarded as safe, no matter how careful you are you idiot.

when i was a kid know one ever told me about needle clinics for heroin addicts. Gateshead is another world like!

ok so how do u justify alcohol and smokin tabs them 2 things alone kills many thousands of people every yr but its ok yer coz the government make money from it... bollox!!

i don't get how society can just take a closed minded opinion on certain drugs,i think they should be regulated made safe and sold over the counter,

Sell exstacy and cocaine over the counter! Absolutely mental!
The reason is because theyvt been legal for years and years. The illegal drugs came about through import and being made in homes. You cant control the amounts in the products or anything to do with them. Your right in saying that theyre should be no difference between any of them, but its all down to history and location.
Just imagine if you were at work and people were saying "im going for a quick line break". The world would be gone in 1 week!

can just see it.

i wasn't really aiming at cocain but mainly at xtc and cannabis,mdma tablets without all the crap put in it,my point is if its ok for alcohol and cigarettes why not other drugs (where possible)

You really are a magnificant piece of shit.

thank you i love you too !!

where did i say anything about tabs and alcohol?

excess lipid consumption kills thousands are year too, shall we ban them?

i like your idea of selling a drug that is proven to increase the likelihood of psycotic episodes over the counter tho

also how do you make a drug that's action renders the body unable to accurately measure things like temperature, blood pressure, heart rate, hydration levels etc 'safe' ?

i'm not anti drugs but you trying to say they don't cause harm is laughable, and just proves how stupid you must actually be.

read thro my posts ive never once said that they don't cause harm if anything i said they have long term undersirable affects, im not that stupid i kow that they can be harmfull abd unpredictable but then the fx of alcolhol can be too thats all i was sayin

the affects of alcohol are completely predictable. Thats how they ccan treat it, and how everyone in the world who drinks, knows what happens when you drink to much.
Basically i think you need to have a big read on the contents of drugs and the affects they have. You might think you no everything but i bet you dont.
The only good use 'e' has, which has just been found out, is it can stop the growth of cancer cells, in almost all cases of cancer.

Ecstasy and cocaine wouldn't be safe even if you could get them over the counter though.

It's fine the way it is, you know what you're doing, you know there's a risk you might hurt/kill yourself, it's up to the person

fuck me there's a lot of antidrugs bullshit going on in this thread

the toxicology tests aren't done yet, but a 16 year old kid dying from heart failure has IME either boshed fucking stupid amounts of coke / speed or more likely has an underlying heart defect that meant lower levels of drugs would cause heart failure than average.

Ok it's tragic for all her friends and family, and another reminder to people to treat drugs with respect, but do we need another ill informed leah betts* style load of bollocks?

to put things into perspective here's the figures for deaths from various legal and illegal drugs in England and Wales from 2000-2004 which show that alcohol is responsible for somewhere between 100-800 times more deaths than ecstacy in this period. Even allowing for the fact that something like 20-30 times more people drink that take e, that still means alcohol is responsible for between 4-30 times more deaths per user than ecstacy.

Cocaine 575
Amphetamine 384
Ecstasy 227
Solvents 246[3]
Opiates (heroin, morphine & methadone) 4,976
Alcohol 25,000 - 200,000 approx.
Tobacco half a million approx

also worth noting that there's an unknown level of double counting in those figures, so even if alchohol poisoning was the main cause of death, if e / speed / coke were also present and mentioned on the death certificate it will be counted in the figures for each of the drugs mentioned

source=drugscope

Now all deaths are tragic, whether it's from car accidents, alcohol poisoning, prescription medication or drugs the government has deemed to be illegal, but I think it helps to base opinions on facts and not overly demonise drugs that actually have a very low toxicity if taken sensibly.

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between 2000-2004 there were 474 deaths from paracetamol...

or according to the uk government's science select committee, here's drugs rated according to harm...

the classification system if a fucking shambles if you look at it like that.