Drug Advice?

i never said it wasn't and how do you know there isn't a safe dose of ecstasy/cocaine? what research backs this statement up?

i'm not after an argument, i'm just interested

People have shown that tiny doses in animals damage brain and nerve cells, and in humans that after about 5 small doses (or something) you can see the difference on brain scans - and these differences link with later behavioral problems. Ecstasy is a great treatment for Parkinsons - but even at medical purity you couldn't use it because of this. Also it's pretty hard on your heart and blood vessels, and some people do end up with brain haemorrhages.

There's always the rare cases of people who die on their first pill (often when they've overdone the water but not always), and people who end up in hospital with movement problems and things - these are rare but happen.

**awaits rossy to blow me out of the water**

ok so what does alcohol do to the body?

I'm sure that it's accepted that moderate alcohol use is safe (or even good for you) because there is a mammoth global drinks industry with the cash to promote the research favourable to it's products, and the political clout to see that it's products are not banned.

On the other hand there is a massive global effort to demonise other drugs with government grants to prove just how dangerous they are and a rabid press desperate for sensational stories of drug crazed youth leading to the death and destruction of society.

I'm sure all substances that you take into your body have the potential to cause harm. Some, like peanuts, cause death on quite a large scale but are not banned and some, like ecstasy, which cause relatively little are banned.
It makes no sense at all, and I think at root is based on the Calvinist ideas of the American right that anything which is purely for pleasure is sinful.
After all they only started on drugs when prohibition of alcohol failed.

and I'm sure I read somewhere that every pint destroys 100,000 braincells

I don't understand how you've reached this conclusion, just because one drug has health benefits it doesn't mean that others will?

Our bodies are "designed" to depend on the consumption of natural produce (like fruit), alcohol is one of these substances... it seems logical that it could boast health benefits.

Most drugs are not in the same category and those that do form naturally tend to be ingested in un-natural ways... so no just because alcohol has health benefits when taken moderatly, it doesn't mean that moderate heroin use could be good for us.

Alcohol is toxic at all concentrations

yes but it also means that there could be a level of heroin use that is good for us

how?

theres no logic to this statement, man has never depended on heroin for his survival?

Alcohol has many properties that we physically need to survive.

thats not what I said.
I said that there are vested interests promoting their points of view.
you can't take as fact what you read.

Our bodies are not 'designed' to do anything. they take in nutrients from any source that is made available to them. Some of those nutrients will have other, side, effects which may be bad for us. It has nothing to do with the percieved 'naturalness'
after all arsenic is natural

I know a man who depends on heroin for his survival

i mean how do you know that heroin might not be beneficial to humans, if taken at some doses or any other drug for that matter

you cant exactly get a load of subjects and give them heroin can you

the fermentation of the carbohydrates found in fruits (and what not) predates man.

And I didn't say alcohol was vital for our survival, I said the products which form it are vital for our survival... so it seems logical that there could be beneficial properties.

alcohol does have beneficial properties, and is recommended as part of a healthy diet

what i'm saying is how do you know other drugs don't have the same benefits

Frank really takes offence when you ring up and ask them where the nearest place is to buy ket.

Stupid cow on the phone went nuts after I did it

lol rossy ethanol is vital to our survival, we create it internally.

And no-one drinks pure ethanol, to talk about the benefits of alcohol you'd have to talk about each individual drink as each one carries different properties and originated from different sources....