"Black Music"

yay! i can educate joe for once!

it's nigga - not er... nigger is a derogetory(sp!) term used to put down black men, so they changed it to mean something good, like a slang word for mate...

thats one of the worst possible ways i could describe it but i know what i mean an i hope i've got it across ok

btw i hope no-one does find it that offensive now cos i use it a bit an i know a lot of my mates back home do (mostly the black guys) an its jus meant like the way you say mate or fella or what ever...

Proof?

that comes from their tribal backgrounds... every1 has a certain amount or 'rhythmic response' (a subsconcious predisposition to react to rhythmic stimulus) but people of tribal origin tend to be more in tune with theirs due to the type of community thier ancestors living in

tribal drums an what have you...

Black music, as we generally know it now, originated from slavery. Historical fact.

I have used the word originated in my post. Origins and influences are different things. The origin could be the 'original influence'. Of course other influences came along or the music would not have evolved at all. We have completely debated different points!

If someone denys that black music was generated and evolved out of slavery then it is them who are rewriting history.

Also, I have played the drums for many years and like to think I have good rhythm... but all the black drummers I have met have something else... yes black people in general have better rhythm!

THE NIGGER ISSUE....

I don't buy that counter arguement for a second, its a highly pejorative double standard (for all parties)... How can it be socially acceptable for one group of people to call themselves one name and not expect others to use the term... If you belief in equal rights this goes against everything you believe in as it creates superior and inferior groups (regardless of the past).

Because of the history Joe. It means something different coming from a you. I can call myself an ugly bastard but if you say it then it will be far more offensive!

actually he has stated facts

Black music (and most modern pop music) evolved from the slave trade, good ol' fashioned rhythm and blues.... Which was a music created to escape the hardship of slave labour

This pattern of escaping oppression can be traced right through to the 70's and as we're still seeing the damage years if oppression has done (the poverty many blacks live in) - its quite acceptable to say that black music is a biproduct of oppression

I also don't buy the blacks have more rhythm statement, just like I don't believe they all have cocks the size of traffic cones.... The african tribal rhythms are actually extremely basic when you compare them to traditional european rhythms... They're more basic (so often easier to dance too).

How many stereotypes can you cram into one post

ok I ask again, why should a black man be able to refer to a black man as a nigger, but a white man shouldn't?

Regardless of the history this encourages segration and implies that one race is superior to another...

It ORIGINATED from it! Traditional black singing and early black christian songs developed into gospel and very early blues... one is positive the other is more downbeat. Slavery was abolished and black music had already started to evolve into other 'genres' (I hate that word). When the slavery was stopped thats where the INFLUENCE pretty much stops... but the origins are still present...

there are specific genetic reasons as to why the are excellent runners but not good swimmers, i can't remember why tho!

Cos they're always running away from lions? and there's no council swimming pools in africa?

I'm not arguing, but how did you find this to be true?!

can't believe I missed a day of this

I don't think black people run faster.... There is a strong arguement that as afro-americans are the decendants of slaves that they have a more athletic physique (as the weedy slaves didn't survive)... But this isn't black people this is afro-americans.

As for multi-cultural... whats multi-coltural about sheffield? The closest sheffield ever got to black cultural was white miners who hadn't washed

As most ancient societies were based on slave systems this is kind of expected.

However the difference between past slave trades and the black slave trades is the effects of enslaved britains 15000 years ago can't be felt today... where as the effects of the black slave trade are still very visible.

Have you seen the athletics?

Come on... its not that hard a concept to grasp. The current influences on the blacks when their music first really started to develop was slavery. As I said the music began to develop into something bigger when slavery was abolished... it has developed into the various genres we have now. Modern black music has little culturally to do with slavery but the original influence that started the 'thing' we call black music was slavery.

Forms of music came from that too... many of our traditional/folk songs and nursury rhymes stem from those times.