Top 20 ranking clubs in Britain of all time

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  1. DickVanDyk

    DickVanDyk Sunderland Till I Die

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    Top 20 ranking clubs in Britain of all time

    Liverpool 558
    Manchester United 476
    Arsenal 413
    Aston Villa 368
    Everton 356
    Sunderland 298
    Tottenham Hotspur 275
    Manchester City 267
    Newcastle United 265
    Sheffield Wed 249
    Nottingham Forest 242
    Wolverhampton W. 240
    Chelsea 238
    WBA 230
    Blackburn Rovers 229
    Leeds United 210
    Bolton Wanderers 208
    Derby County 204
    Sheffield United 195
    Preston North End 187



    The About a Ball ranking is a progressive points scoring system devised our statisticians to grade each league club according to their historical achievements since the beginning of organised football in this country. We felt the need for such a ranking after hearing numerous lower division chairmen claiming that their club is one of the biggest in the country and should rightfully be in the top division. However, there are only 20 places in the Premiership and therefore only 20 clubs deserve to occupy them, so we decided to find out which clubs really are sleeping giants and which are currently flying well above their historical status.

    How it works

    Points awarded as follows:

    Champions Cup Win +15
    Cup Winners/UEFA Cup Win +12
    League Championship +10
    FA Cup Win +5
    League Cup Win +3
    Division One Win +3
    Lower Division Win (2/3) +1
    Season in top division +2
    Season in 2nd division +1
    Bonuses: Super Cup; Club Cup; Double +5

    Criticisms and Improvements

    There is no account taken of when the points were scored so a team (i.e. Sunderland) could have scored most of their points at the start of the century but are still ranked high up today. The teams did not all join the league at the same time so founder members such as Burnley have scored their points over a much longer period of time than "new" clubs such as Wimbledon. My system takes account only of on the pitch successes and not off the pitch factors such as attendance and annual budget which could indicate a big club. The About a Ball ranking could be improved (and also complicated) by including points for average attendances and annual budget/profit, dividing points totals by the number of years clubs have been in the league, or by giving less weight to points scored a long time ago. However, we are satisfied that our ranking shows the relative playing merits of the 92 league clubs based on historical success and identifies clubs currently under or over achieving.

    Conclusions

    It is clear that Liverpool are by far the most successful English football club ever, which was the expected result. The most interesting aspect of the study, however was the position of several "big" clubs who aspire to Premiership status. Jack Hayward for example, is right to claim that his Wolves side should be in the top flight as they are traditionally a big club in twelfth position. Derby, Nottingham Forest, Preston and the Sheffield clubs are also historically top division sides. The biggest underachievers are currently Bury who are the only club to be two divisions below their historical position, in Division One, while teams currently above themselves are Birmingham, Charlton, Fulham, Middlesbrough, Southampton and West Ham although their chairmen would strongly dispute this fact, saying that they are now among the biggest clubs in the country. Coventry City are a club whose ambitions exceed their standing, having run up huge debts in order regain Premiership status; they often claim to be one of the "big boys" but I can tell them categorically that they're a mid-table Division One club, which puts them in their place.
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    I just look at the current leagues & tables

    Sheff Wed better than Chelsea:lol: :lol:
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    i don't see why points for winning lower divisions or staying in division one should be worth any points.
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    DickVanDyk Sunderland Till I Die

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    Did you understand the table ?, its to do with the overall history of the game, hence why Sheff Wed are above Chelsea, very interesting table.
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    I am sure Sheff Wed fans will be over the moon th:sleep:
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    DickVanDyk Sunderland Till I Die

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    Of course they will, its always good to find out were your club stands in the history of football.
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    It is strictly forbidden to copy or reproduce these tables without permission. Any breach of copyright may lead to prosecution. The tables will be updated annually and any feedback on the results/corrections to data are welcome
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    DickVanDyk Sunderland Till I Die

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    :eek: the eastenders drums should follow after that statement :lol:
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    DickVanDyk Sunderland Till I Die

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    Sunderland pearched nicely ready for an assault on europe :lol:
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    Thing is that the table is flawed.

    It should bew weigfhted so thyat more recent achie benments are w2orth progressively mpore thamn those 100+ years ago.
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    Haha vinny's pissed posts are class :lol:
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    I know you like your history so here is another lesson for you.

    Newcastle's Tyne & Wear derby record
    Played:135 Won: 48 Drawn: 44 Lost:43 For:200 Against: 201
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    DickVanDyk Sunderland Till I Die

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    The ref was shite in every game we lost :lol:
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    As yous havent scored in the last 3 games I would look at the strikers.

    :)

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