Linux http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwGNEnBPwPg&eurl= I want this. How can someone with no knowledge of programming get it?
Its not that hard. You need to install Ubuntu Edgy then Beryl. It took me about a week to work it out and I'm pretty new to Linux. There are millions of turtorials and help forums around.
Lost my nerve during the install when it got to partitioning disks, as I haven't backed up any of my work in ages. I'll use partition magic to make some free space, and whang it in there
I don't think there is anything in that vid that Beryl can't do. It makes Vista look 4 years old to be fair.
Sorry guys, I've run out of skill again. I made 30 gb of unpartitioned space for the swap drive and EXT3 space, but it starts beyond 1024 cylinders, and is apparently not bootable, which surely will be useless? Will it be OK as long as I use gparted to make it? Ta
you should be fine as long as you use lilo instead of grub as your boot loader. Saying that, I've used grub in similar situations and it's fine...
Linux 'innovations' seem to always be something either microsoft or apple do (or have nicked and refined from other windows applications) ... and then turn it into a really awful looking mess? Those effects might be cool for five seconds ... but then they are just like putting whale tails on a fiesta xr2, or neon lights inside a pc case. My Macbook with OSX 1.4 is where its at
Not really, not sure how long beryl has been around but juski showed me xgl nearly a year ago, long before the hype machine over vista/longhorn had started steamrolling the net. the point that appeals to me is that linux does some pretty cool stuff on far-less demanding hardware. A great example of this is mythtv - a full media centre suite that runs on machines half as powerful as the requirements for XPMCE and that is capable of doing far more. There are other examples, beryl being one of them. To me it proves that windows isn't as special as people make out - a lot of the "refinements" in vista look suspiciously like they've been lifted straight from the mac OS The only downside to linux is that it requires a fair bit of know-how to get working and this puts the casual user off installing it, although this is changing with distributions like ubuntu, which in my opinion, is one of the first to really serve as a decent alternative to a microsoft operating system.
everyone knows windows isn't special - but it's what EVERYONE can use fairly easily without being a geek. how long did it take juski and mythtv to set up? yonks. for a novice? nee chance. let the uber-geeks have their bespoke linux distros - let normals have their "all in 1 out of a box does what it says on the tin" copy of windows
conway - apple did all off the stuff vista does ..... 4 years ago. So thats 3 years ahead of linux. UNIX/LINUX has its place in the enterprise market for sure - but it will only ever be a hobbyist operating system for workstations as long as anyone and his dog can hack it about. Dare i say it, but i think things like these need companies with visionarys steering things in the right direction - linux just seems as much as a mess as it ever was. Can you even install something with a double click across all distros yet .... or is it still a major hassle to achieve the most basic of tasks?
Bar this partition stuff, the Ubuntu set up looked a piece of cake. If I had been doing it as a single boot clean install I'd be laughing. But I have too much on this system that I can't afford to chance loosing, and I don't really have time to reinstall eveything if it comes to that. I'm going to clean install it on my laptop over christmas though
Surely thats the beauty of the system itself - you don't have to stick with the bog-standard "as provided" code? With some of the more exotic distros you can customize them from the ground up round your PC - and on a side note thats where Juski had the majority of problems with mythtv, with his gentoo operating system. And I'd hardly call the MAC operating system hobbyist - it looks and runs far better than any operating system I've ever used, and you've got to remember thats UNIX based Some distros are starting to reach that level of functionality, ubuntu being the example that springs to mind, you now have an "add-remove" windows style program control panel, with one exception - you can add programs that you don't currently have on the box from a list, and ubuntu goes and gets it for you. With most mainstream distros like fedora, you just download RPM packages like you would a zipped program and they install automatically, however with debian and others it's still a case of "apt-get install" or "yum install", although once you get used to these they do have their advantages, like the fact that the machine runs round the net downloading the required program and its dependencies automatically. I don't see anything in windows that works in a similar manner. On a lot of distros now it's a lot easier than tar -zxvf / ./configure / make / make install As for corporate desktop use, Novell have bought SuSE and are currently making strides in turning it into a viable desktop alternative. It's novell developers who are currently pushing xgl Linux as a whole has been developed by a large coding community, usually spending large amounts of time working on and with it, and on the whole they have been more concerned with functionality than appearance. Thats starting to change with the involvement of companies like novell (and with more people getting involved). In order for linux to have any future outside of the server room or coding arena it's got to be usable by joe public - like I said in my previous post some distros are approaching that level of functionality. There's a livecd for ubuntu available for both the mac and PC, you could do worse than give it a go to see what the fuss is about oh and andy, found a walkthrough for beryl installation on ubuntu - this may be of some help.
