Green Tax - The latest hippy bandwagon

Green Tax - The latest hippy bandwagon

OK so i'm all for taking care of the environment, but already i am sick to death with all this green this and green that, mostly from David Cameron who obviously feels that jumping on this latest bandwagon will gain him some votes.

So putting up cheap air fares....all this will do is, as usual, will prevent the poorer people travelling and yet the rich won't give a toss. Also, flights are scheduled, so whether there are 3 passesngers on board, or 300, it flies. Obivously if demand plumets then a few flights will be cut but is it really going to make the difference the hippies think it will?

As for the gas guzzling cars, this is a much better idea, nail the tax onto that - if they can afford to buy them, then they can afford to run them.

This morning a green "expert" was quoted on the radio:

"Imagine if england was covered in water? This will happen; we're already seeing drought and heatwaves"

So the country is drying up, and yet we're going to be covered in water by next week unless we start walking everywhere and covering our houses with solar panels.

And greenpeace....what a joke they are. They feel they are on a mission to protect the environment and feel they have the right to maliciously damage peoples property.

Why is it that I think Mr Brown will love all of this.....he's racked up quite a debt...surely he's seeing the poundsigns in his eyes....

I want to leave my lights on when i go downstaits. I want to leave my TV and PC on standby. And i certainly don't want to leave my car in the garage and get the bus which takes christ knows how much longer!!!

Rant over....discuss

Fuck the planet, Ill just have a nice tan for the next 40 years and let the future worry about it.

I want my dummy and I want it now

Re: Re: Green Tax - The latest hippy bandwagon

I don't think people will have any choice about wether to let it happen. it's happening already.
I guess like most people I don't want to stop flying abroad or using my car and the only way it's going to happen is if the government makes us stop.
I don't think it's hippy though or stupid. And the political leaders are as unenthusiastic about compulsion or tax raising as we are cois it loses votes.
but something will have to be done or we'll turn the planet into a desert

i agree, without the fat lads cutting down our efforts are but a drop in the ocean

i wouldnt mind one actually, but they cost quite a bit and they only save you about half on your bills

they need to start limiting the population imo.

they should just charge people with high polluting vehicles twice as much as others.

they should force people to recycle and everyone should turn off appliances when theyre in use.

they should also put more investment into better insulated homes and more energy saving designs

They should burn the hippies and use them as fuel.

I'm not talking about slipknot either.

you volunteering for a bollockectomy?

Does that mean you cant use them as a substitute for petrol?

to clarify, i dont mean hippy in the literal dictionary sense of the word, i mean it as a generalisation.

Lee has decent points.

Can't see how they can force you to turn off your TV etc when not in use though?

Im all for solar panels but whos going to pay for all these green energy sources??

Re: Green Tax - The latest hippy bandwagon

Me, Me, Me.

You try and base your ridiculously flimsy argument around how increased taxes will promote social exclusion, but you negate the fact that the more energy you waste the higher you drive energy prices up and the higher the polarisation between rich and poor becomes. By driving your car you degrade the quality of life for a far wider social demographic than simply yourself and it is accepted beyond any doubt that the social demographic who suffer the effects of car use the most are the very 'poor people' you claim to be so concerned about.

In your attitude towards leaving the light / TV on you are yourself portraying yourself as one of the 'rich who don't give a toss' who you berate.. why would anyone want to purposely waste money by leaving the light on?

I can't believe someone who is going through higher education and should be somewhat intelligent could possibly flagrantly lack the intellectual capacity to grasp the concept of our social responsibilty towards the environment?

Do you have any knowledge of the research conducted by FoE or Greenpeace? I very much doubt it by your childish response.

That aside the wider issue is that we need to stop wasting energy in all forms - 2/3 of all energy in this country is lost in transmission between the large centalised rural power stations and the market consumption bases where it's consumed. If your car was 2/3 less efficient, what would you do with it? what does the government do? Builds more centralised power plants, good work brains.

Chris, take a look at the Stern Report published today, the people you saw on the news this morning wern't hippies, they where economists, the whole debate today was based on a economic paper.

How about the people that use them and waste energy by nonchelantly leaving TVs and Lights on? Is that so bad?

The first has already been made statutory, the second and third are being tentatively implemented.

This is the real problem clicky.

Its a simple case of economies of scale, the more we push renewables and energy efficiency the cheaper and easier it is to produce and maintain, the longer we keep thinking like this the worse the situation gets.



On the subject of America, EV1electric cars where at such an advanced stage in the 90's they could have been rolled out in their millions, shame GM recalled each and every one of them and crushed them to keep oil dependancy high.

What Scruff said (except for the fact that transmission losses account for less than 2% and distribution losses account for around 5% of total generation).

I am always utterly gobsmacked by how little people are prepared to do to save the environment they live in. Serious head-in-sand syndrome.