FAO Si (That Good News You Wanted 2 Read)

FAO Si (That Good News You Wanted 2 Read)

A video tape of a Qaeda-linked group in Iraq beheading a man said to be an American has been shown on an Islamist Web site and the group has vowed more executions as revenge for the abuse of Iraqi prisoners.

The poor quality tape showed a man sitting on the floor with five masked men behind him. After one of the masked men read out a statement, they pushed the bound man to the floor, cutting off his head and holding it aloft.

It was not immediately possible to verify the authenticity of the tape carried on Muntada al-Ansar Islamist website.

I just can't imagine the mentality of the people who carry out acts like these. How deranged does a person have to be to get kicks out of doing this? I saw a beheading on the internet once. It was the most awful thing I've ever seen by a mile and a half!

Si has an Av of a man who wants people to do things like that!!!!!

I'm not saying it's right for the soldiers to treat POW's like that but you can understand their anguish....they have to police 1000's of people anyone of who could be packed with high explosives and have intent to kill them all.

Still it's clear that there is an element there that thinks that because they carry a weapon it gives them the right to do what they like.

If they are beheading US soldiers in revenge for the ill treatment of a few POW's by a few arseholes things will only get worse.

They have to understand that if captured by rogue Iraqi terrorists an American/British serviceman would not be treated in accordance with the Geneva Convention, they would be beaten and tortured and often killed. The US/Brits have to treat prisoners with humanity, care for their needs, if the boot was on the other foot I would imagine US/Brits would not be so lucky.


I'm not condoning the actions of these twats who have been beating prisoners...but I understand the sort of pressure they would be under.


just a thought

Some good points Jon

I served in NI years ago with the forces, not the same I know but the risk is real. You have to treat them with silk gloves on and sort them out, you get cought they cut off your arms.

Your point of view is very much respected by me as you have served on the front line.

I will get slammed for saying that by people from the Socialist Anti-AmericanCapitalist Promise Messageboard Party.

ditto

the guy was a US civilian. apparently, according to the news channels over here the terrorists wanted detainees at the now notorious jail released, when their demands were not met they beheaded the american. according to the crack he was over there working in communications and went missin on april 9th.

the news channels over here have also been interviewin the lawyers for the soldiers under investigation for the abuses of prisoners. they say that they were under orders to carry out these abuses in order to break the prisoners down so they would talk. even so, doesn't excuse the fact that they look like they're enjoyin torturing these people in the photos.

is there a difference between ill treatment and interrogation ?


I think not

again my thoughts

good point. personally i think they were just doin their jobs. the mistake they made was documenting it with photos, it was always gonna cause a shit-storm if they hit the press.

but as a lot of americans round have been sayin, its nothing compared to what saddam etc have been doin to their own people for decades.

that's my point m8, when performing an interrogation it is required to use physical/mental pressure to extract information. The pics reflect that of a typical interrogation, although in the same token it could just as easy be blatant abuse.

You can't write off the boys over there because one of them gives an Iraqi prisoner a slap.

In the first Gulf war the Iraqi army captured three members of the SAS. One was killed on the spot, the others had all there teeth knocked with rifle buts, beaten till their bones broke, fed human waste.

You can't expect them to be greeted with open arms when the UN capture known terrorists over there.

I'm not saying it's right, but you have to try and understand the reasons why.

completely understand it mate, just don't understand how they seemed so happy doin it.

they face incredible danger all day everyday, this puts huge pressures on them all. It's frustrating fighting an enemy you can't see, it could be the bloke standing next to you.

You naturally become suspicious of everyone resulting in what is known or seen as ill treatment.

Some of the pics I think are fake, some of the kit used and appearance of the soldiers is not what is SOP (standard operational procedures) when on tour.

Again just my view on it all, maybe a side not everyone would think about.

Their presence in Iraq...justified or not is a massive job, dangerous job.

I'm pleased I'm no longer a part of anything like that.

wasn't talkin bout the british pics mate, was on bout the yanks. they seemed to be enjoyin it a wee bit too much.

ah SPENCE SPENCE SPENCE SPENCE SPENCE SPENCE SPENCE, you misunderstand me so much if you think I can take any "good" news from this.

Let me be clear this is terrible news, barbaric, obscene and totally unjustifiable. You seem to think I support this kind of thing but the opposite is true. Being critical of US foreign policy doesn't make me an supporter or even an apologist for stuff like this.

What dismays me most of all is the reaction of people like the white house spokesman who said that this demonstrates the difference between "us and "them" showing that "they" are barbaric animals with no values while "we" are the upholders of peace and justice. Obviously irony is not his strong point.

Ultimately what causes this, and causes people to fly planes into skyscrapers, and causes US & UK troops to abuse humiliate torture & kill prisoners and enjoy it while they do it, is the same thing. Here's a fine example for you:

"We are the ones who have given so much to this world.

We are the ones who have touched this planet like no others.

We are the ones who have so much of which to be proud.

Walk on. Stand tall...

We are the English!"


This is the politics of ugly white supremacy with the clear implication of brown inferiority and does nothing but breed mistrust, intolerance and hatred of others. These views belongs in the last century if not the one before.
While these attitudes prevail, and form part of western foreign policy we will continue to see this cycle of violence and counter violence.

At least my politics are trying to find a way out of this while yours just cause it perpetuate it.

Surely you can have national pride without being branded a white supremacist si

yeah cos being proud of where you come from automatically means that you think people from other cultures are inferior.

slippery slope though innit

let's see, Spence, Ryan, Pike... yes or no question. Are you better than an Arab?

depends on the arab obviously... but most of them yes, but then i feel i am better than most other people, irrespective of race/religion.