@ Fa Kin Su Pah, trance_fan and the Gym Squad

Take steroids, lots of them then you too can be in the WWF!

Sorry like, just with no replies i thought id help you out by giving this a hilarious bump.

loads a codiene, then you wont care

Cutting isn't really my think, I fail miserabley every time I do it. Can't handle the low carb business.

Before I create an essay, what is your current goal..cutting or bulking?

Stuff like mackerel and other oily fish should definitely be part of your diet, no question of that - excellent source of omega 3 and essential fatty acids. Not sure about the oil changing the length of time of digestion...but that doesn't matter a damn anyway, so get it down you.

Heres a cutting plan i am going to (attempt to) follow in may:

Wake 6.30 am Strong black tea / coffee

40-50 mins low intensity cardio

7.30 breakfast Porridge: 30g oats + skimmed milk + tsp sugar
3 egg whites + 1 egg yolk scrambled
200ml fresh fruit juice

10.00 100g chicken breast
2 oatcakes
Fruit
Mug green tea

12.30 180g tuna or mackerel salmon or chicken breast
30g wholemeal pasta or basmati rice
Large mixed salad
Mug green tea

15.00 100g chicken breast
2 oatcakes
Fruit
Mug green tea

45 mins pre-workout 20g whey protein powder in water
2 oatcakes
Banana
Drink water

45 mins intense weight training

Immediately post workout 40g whey protein powder + 5g glutamine in water

Evening meal
60 mins later 150g lean red meat or 180g salmon steak
40g wholemeal pasta or 40g basmati rice or 2-3 small boiled new potatoes
Large serving mixed vegetables

22.00 Serving James' Super Smoothie – The JSS Cutting Shake

Bedtime
200g cottage cheese

I can't be chewed with all that like. I eat healthy ish but I couldn't let it take over my life. How long would you do that routine described above for?


I've been doing pretty much the same routine at the gym for over a year now . out of pure laziness! I havent seen any growth in muscle since then really. So I've decided to train properly. I've read some info and I need to be taking in more calories per day in order to grow me muscles because at the min I eat just say enough.

I've also joined a different gym because although the one at work is spot in it just depresses me still being at work and also gets too packed that you can't even do the things you go in to do. It was only £2 a month which is a but of a gutter going up to £26 per month. Plus the one at work is open 24/7 - 365days a year. I joined this one in seaham yesterday and it's already shut for bank holidays and that.:evil:

Apparently the best way is to have periods where you are bulking up and eating basically as much as you can to support muscle growth and doin no cardio at all, and periods where you are ripping up. You will find it quite hard to build muscle when depriving your body of energy. Thats unless you somehow manage to consume just enough energy to support muscle growth and not lay down fat.

Lookily for me i am currently taking 600kcal protein shakes to help bulk so when i want to drop abit of weight i go on protein isolate 500kcal less and start running again, that means i will be down on at least 800kcal a day with out any major changes to my diet.

I'm gonna buy in some more protein like. I've got half a tub of weight/muscle builder which is protein and carbs etc.

I've also bought a few hundred creatine pills.


I tend to eat healthyish during the week then eat some shite at the weekends. I'm not trying to be like arnie or owt so i doubt that matters tbh. I wouldn't mind being toned to fuck by the summer but unless I do loads of cardio or change my eating habits then that won't happen.

oh my god you blokes are worse than us lasses!!!

i only go to the gym so i can eat what the hell i want and not look like the michelin man!

To be honest mate, like robby mentioned - you should cut or bulk, doing both at the same time is tricky and often fairly fruitless.

If you are wanting to get the muscles looking fuller and more "on show" then my approach is have a few months of high calorie, hardcore training, followed by a proper cut. You will obviously lose mass, but by putting on more mass than you want anyway, the stuff you will inevitably lose while cutting isn't going to bother you a great deal. Don't worry if the abs dissappear or you look a little tubbier than usual - it's a means to an end. Keep the diet clean and bodyfat increases will be minimised.

As for the routine, really seems like far to much to me. I had a mate doing similar routine with similar goals to you...i helped him with his diet a bit, suggested a new program involving cardio sessions only twice a week, and he has said he's been getting some great results lately. You could try it, if it doesn't work for you then go back to the way it was. Then again if you don't care too much about maximum muscle preservation and just wanting to look lean and toned...say brad pitt in fight club type look...then yeah keep as you are going.

All that cardio, weights and swimming is just going to put you into a massive state of catabolism during your workout - which is counter productive, obviously. Do you not leave the gym feeling totally light headed and shaking like a leaf?? How many times do you do that a week?

Currently i'm bulking and will continue to do so until the end of april. No cardio for me (in fact i've hardly ever done it) until then. Weighing in at about 13 stone 6 at the minute, which is the heaviest I have ever been, but i've not noticed any particular increase in bodyfat. After that it's a slow cut for summer! I'll probably be running some natural testosterone support to give a little extra edge on maintaining the muscle. Cardio will be done 2 or 3 times a week, for 30 mins before breakfast. This will be a real effort in itself cos getting up early just isn't for me

If you do want to keep following that routine, at least get a carb/protein shake between the cardio and weights.

the Nutri Centre at Tesco has a special offer on PhD stuff at the minute, i reccomend their Synergy all in one formula, 2.2kg for £25, bargain.

Chris Uk?! Do you have that routine you sent me before or any new ones written out that you could send me? cheers.

Shit your on msn. Forgot!

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how much do you weigh adam?

duno about ten and a half stone

fair enough. not sure what it was i was expecting to achieve there like, i'm all out of witty comments

i was canny shocked while reading that mahoosive list of eating and drinking and pre this and post that.

FUCK ALL THAT!

I go biking to keep the heart working but its no where near that kind of regime, that lot up there is a little bit scary imo