Ethnic Diversity, Multiculturism and social cohesion

Ethnic Diversity, Multiculturism and social cohesion

Given Ruth Kelly wants an 'open and honest' debate on the issue what are people's thought's on tackling ethnic division and achieving a harmonious multiculturism??

...oh but of course the 'open and honest' debate can't include the effect of the Iraq War or Faith Schools according to the government

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5280230.stm

I don't even think the foreign policy argument is valid, homegrown terrorist attacks aren't born out of foreign policy they're born out exclussion.

British mdoerate muslims may not agree with our foreign policy but they don't wage war on England as they feel like part of our society... The attacks waged on England are from those that do not feel they belong here.

bullshit ! one of the london bombers was a respected and much appriciated school teacher if you want to talk about segregation then look to their comunities, i live in a prodomenently asian comunity and as a whole it's quiet and pleasant , but you just try saying good morning to them on your way to the shop, one morning i'm walking to the shop and theres a little girl and her mum getting out the car , i've seen them on various occasions and exchanged hello's and such but this morning her husband and another male was with them i say hello she says hello back then she gets a barrage of abuse and man handled into the house and the little girl gets a crack on the legs just for waving at me.

that confirms what I said you twirp!

what! please explain how !

if a muslim is encouraging his family not to talk to a british citizen... he obviously feels uncomfortable within British society.

Do you not think their feelings of alienation and exclusion may be partly a result of our foreign policy decisons though?

whats uncomfortable about a local lad who he knows not to be a threat i.e i dont hang on corners shoutin profanities and such just being polite saying good morning on the way to the shop ! you're talkin out your arse mate, the obvious andswer is he neither needs nor want's to include him self in to any politness with a lad of a diffrent race simple as that hence givin his wife and kid shit for doing so, if it was his insecurities why pass them on to his daughter who clearly knows me and knows i am not a threat

If your example was an issolated case then we could attribute his xenophobic (bit of a paradox) behaviour to the individual - however if that xenophobia is reflected across an entire generation, society needs to question why that demographic is behaving in that manner.

You quite clearly blame the muslims, but this is the simpltons perception - the wiser man asks why the muslim community willfully segregate themselves from British society.

If we are to look at other immigrant communities (sikhs, hindus, blacks, jews, etc.) they have all intergrated seamlessly into British society - first generations tended to find it hardest to relate to British culure, but second and third generations immigrants identify themselves as British .

This is not the case with muslim communities, to blame islam is insanity as the first generation muslims strongly align themselves with British national pride... It's their children that are the problem.

no it merely fuels an an existant fire.

but thats where you wrong i never once mention the muslims i simply said asian that you assumed i ment muslim shows your blatant ingorance to my point joe !

was he muslim?

and what was your point? all asians have attitude?!?!?

Not sure I agree with you on that one. Stereotypically Muslims have tended to pledge their allegiance to the 'Islamic world' (ie all Muslims) rather than the nationalistic allegiance which is common amongst Western societies. Decades of what is perceived as very one-sided foreign policy decisions by Western governments lead to feeling amongst some Muslims that 'their world' is under constant attack. Given the ineptitude of many national leaders in the Islamic world many feel powerless to help thier Muslim 'brothers' unless through extreme measures such as we have seen recently.

It's not the only reason I admit but I feel it has a part to play in the 'existant fire' rather than merely fuelling it.

If what you stated was true we'd see more Islamic states in the middle east, instead of the mixture of Islamic states like Iran and secular states like Egypt.

There are nationalistic muslims and the are religious muslims... I'd be suprised if you can substantiate your point.

i really dont know tbh honest its not somthing i ask or bother with same as when i meet a white person dose it matter to me wether they are christian or what ever i am not consumed by petty shit like religion and people who try and push it on others pisses me off you try to make this out like it was me who done wrong in my example there are many more within my comunity (muslim and indians as well) who feel the hostility of the local (and closed might i add) comunity that lives among us, just cos i have noticed this dosn't make me a racist and for you to try and manipulate my post to make it look this way is very childish

Andi, you replied to post which was about "muslims" with the word "bullshit!" you then went on to provide an incident where you'd come into contact with an asian (who I assumed was muslim - given the context of the debate)... I then asked what your point was - which was a fair question to ask as you were dismissing mine.... To which you replied I don't know but stop making me look racist....

What on earth or you wittering on about?!?!? Instead of jumping head first into a debate - why not take a few minutes to construct your thoughts - then make an informed reply - you'll save us both a lot of frustration

Perhaps I should have just said most Muslims view themselves as 'Muslim' first and their nationality second. Therefore they have a stronger allegiance to their fellow Muslims (even if they're a different nationality) than tends to be the case in the Christian Western world. The result is an attack on a largely Muslim country is seen by some as an attack on all Muslims, the extreme response to which we have seen on 9/11, 7/7 etc.

I can't be arsed to substantiate my point tbh.

are you for real i said i dont know to you askin if he was a muslim

then why use him as an example when we're talking about muslims?

Ethnic Diversity, Multiculturism and social cohesion

please tell me where this spacificly specifies muslims joe


my understanding is its a chat about ethnic minorities as a whole