BT Cancels Graduate Scheme

BT Cancels Graduate Scheme

I'm not sure this really affects anybody on here except me, but I've just noticed this on BBC News and it genuinely shocked me.

A lot of organisations, even the biggest graduate employers like PWC, Deloitte, KPMG, etc. are recruiting extremely low numbers of graduates this year, but to my knowledge this is the first to actually cancel its graduate recruitment entirely. Surely not a good sign that such a huge company has decided to abandon its investment in its future to cut costs?

The joys of graduating during a recession. It'll only get worse in coming years too.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8216762.stm

The really clever people dont go to uni imo

i wouldnt blame it on 'the recession' either

There are never enough graduate jobs to cover all graduates, no, but you'd generally expect to get one if you go to a good university. The term 'graduate' usually extends to people who have done meaningless courses at polys (that's not me being elitist), who you wouldn't really expect to land big jobs with big firms. I personally don't know anybody who has landed a decent graduate job after graduating this year though.

And the government trying to force everybody into going to uni, as well as being a very good way of them making money, makes good degrees from good universities less exceptional. It's quickly becoming a case where just about everybody has a degree and has been to university in some respect.

I blame Labour.

I have to agree with what your saying there.

Also, imo, outside of Oxford and Cambridge, whether a uni is an ex-poly or not doesnt make that much difference anymore, look at northumbria and newcastle, sure newcastle is a 'red brick' university, but from my experiences, purely law stuff, northumbria is much better, and with its development of the law school has placed itself ahead of a number of universities throughout the uk.

problem with universitys are students

i'm not sure how much i agree with that, i guess it depends on the field. in my mind, there are about four tiers of universities. obviously oxford, cambridge, edinburgh, st. andrews, etc. are at the top, but you also have some fantastic, slightly newer unis like ucl, imperial college, durham, etc. after that i guess you have the civic red bricks like leeds, manchester and newcastle, and then the polys.

in terms of my degree, there aren't any bad unis that do it, and it's a pretty specific area, so any degree in it is a good one. that said, leeds was the worst university i got into, but my favourite city, which is why i turned down ucl, bath and newcatle to go there.

law is a bit different because every single uni does it, from the best to the worst, so there are lots of people that have a law degree. that said, i would have thought that would make it easier to distinguish between a good llb and a bad one. i have lots of friends that did law, from oxford to sunderland. none of them have jobs yet!

thats a suprise, cos all the people i know who have got a first or high 2:1 from last year at teesside have, weird.

i think its also a lot to do with employability, a lot of kids coming through university now, have very little knowledge of life outside of academia, school to college to uni, and when they compete against those who have at least some other life experience it weighs up quite heavily.

it suprises me that a friend of yours who got a degree from oxford has struggled to get a job, i imagine that says more about them than their ability as oxbridge candidates are heavily favoured (even though this would be denied) in the city.

oh and durhams hardly a new university, not much younger than oxford and cambridge

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the stockton campus is new tho

Oh definitely, a law degree (as long as its a qualifying law degree, not all universities do them) exempts you from the academic stage of training which is what anyone with a non-QLD has to do regardless of what subject they have done. Equally, i know its a year at law school, and two years training to become qualified as a solicitor, and even then, imo, you dont become the finished article till your about to retire, and even then the law changes quite often so its difficult to say if you ever become the finished article. I guess its the same with almost every job though.

agree with this for sure!

im doing my dissertation, i wanted to do a law degree because it interested me and thats the career path i wanted. where it will aid me is where i get a 1st class law degree and someone has a 1st class business degree or whatever, it wont make a difference to the LPC, but professionally it will make a difference.

most of points you have made i have made previously. im very aware of the procedures, and you havent told me anything new, cheers tho.

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I can only imagine what your getting at is that I, for whatever reason you may think, think that a law degree is a better degree than any other. Well I know its not, much in the same way that medicine, radiology, psychology, computing whatever are no better than any other. However, they each hold relevance to the field you want to go into.

Durham - established 1832, Oxford - established 1096

right, if i go much longer without a job i'm going to law school!

what sort of job are/were you hoping to do like allie lad?

if your struggling for a job, in all seriousness, look at university lecturing, u have to do the pgce and starting rates are around 25k + depending on experience, top paid law lecturers (aslthough i think its the same in all departments) here are on 45k

i have a friend who did accounting around the time u did, hes just finished qualifying.

its similiar to a law degree in that respect.