Obese smokers and drinkers

This is a shambolic idea.

Smokers pay massive taxes and duty - FACT

Obese people arguably pay more tax and duty from the increased food/booze consumption - FACT


.... Yet they are to be deprived of a service they have paid for?!?!?!?

Another example of a society moving towards a system where one half of the people subsidise the needs of another half, yet recieve nothing in return except the realisation that we have to work until the day we drop dead.

Joe?

Either way - its a fine line to tread when you take a PUBLIC SERVICE and start dishing it back out to the public in a non public manner.

If im ill, i dont expect to turn up to a hospital for which i might have paid taxes all my life into supporting, to be turned away because some vicky pollard lookalike 'could make more use of the care' based on someone elses criteria.

A public service should be based on good faith that the system will be there for you when YOU need it, which is the reason that we are blindly taxed to death every single month - not one where you MIGHT get something back.

Ask yourself is this a 'sensible initiative' or is it our governments latest and greatest solution to the problem that the health service costs far too much and they are looking to make as many cuts as possible - even if it means breaking the 'rules' .....

I dont dispute that your argument makes perfect sense - but given the choice i'd like to OPT OUT of a system like that.

The problem i have is that we get taxed to absolute death, but then the rules keep changing and the goalposts continually shifted to basically shaft people like me.

The health service costs an ASTRONOMICAL amount of money and given the choice, i'd rather we had private health, or a heavily cut down health service. But given what you've said - if the goverment wants to take money from my pocket and then give it back to me in a disproportionate matter.... I'll take my chances and stick to my private health insurance, and opt out of state healthcare - but in return i'd like a nice tax reduction.

I come from Throckley / Newburn.... hardly middle class england.

I dont mind having a public health service (Ideally i wouldnt want one but ill grin and bear it) .... But as long as its PUBLIC .... not pseudo public.

My mum is a receptionist

Dad is an electronic engineer


Why do you ask?

At heart i dont begrudge handing over a proportion of what i earn to people who have either worked their lives being citizens of this country and have earned the right to a pension or some healthcare ... And the same goes for people who genuinely need looking after.

With that in mind, then perhaps healthcare needs massive reform where it is reserved for those classes of people .... but anything above and over that uhould be paid for - With that perhaps things might cost billions less money, but people might think otherwise about choosing an unhealthy lifestyle, or applying for breast implants on the NHS?

... Either way the current situation is just NOT working in my opinion - and its not about to get any better. Maybe its time to start thinking about how a public health service can be stripped back to provide a level of care in line with the core intentions of a health system, but with none of the beauracracy and money wasting that the current system has.

No, im pure west end geordie, born and bred.....

..... But living in middle england esque Guildford these days