People who dont vote in Elections

What about people who dont believe in either of the 'big three' parties up for election... should voters use their democratic rights to vote for the 'best of the worst' ?

Is that democracy?

Yeah Labour are doing a superb job:

- Booming house prices that have prevented anyone owning a home without taking on mounds of debt, and a government that did nothing about it.

- Council tax rises of 70%+ in 7 years

- 70+ tax rises since they came to power

- No improvement in the NHS despite something like DOUBLE the amount of money being spent on it.

- Increases in violent crime

- A prime minister who cares more about American foreign policy than his own peoples needs and wants.

- Student top up fee's, tuition fees, no more grants.




People are so hung up about the tories and the thatcher years, but this country was in pretty darn good shape back in 1997 before labour came to power. I'd really honestly love to see the improvements that they have brought to this country in that time.... How has life improved in 2005?

Constant fear of terrorism?
Economy on the edge of recession?

.... or is it just cause old tony knows how to say the right things to the right people at the right time that everyone thinks he's good for this country?

Actually i wrote that all on my own!

Im flattered its of such high quality that it looks like a cut and paste job

1.1 trillion pounds consumer debt is good eh? How many people do you know who have credit cards with scary balances owing on them? Or have finance/credit deals on stuff they really shouldnt be buying?

Taxes wont 'just go up' - thats a very british attitude to just think 'we're damned anyways' - We are a highly apathetical country of whiners and whingers who do sod all but accept rip off prices and over taxation.

The country wasnt in a mess in 1997 was it? I can distinctly remember going to university for 3 years and getting a nice little grant to help me, as well as no tuition fee's to pay .....

Unfortunately its people like myself that fund labours agendas and get naff all back - the Chancelor himself pitched the budget as being for all the 'hard working families' in britain, aswell as all the pensioners ..... whats in it for me? Nothing except high taxation to pay for it all.... The youth of this country are totally screwed these days - they cant even step out of university without being crippled by debt, then have credit cards and loans waved in their faces, having to get into debt to pay the bills after paying their extortionate rents, massive duty on alcohol and cigarettes and petrol.... and if thats not worse, 40% of your income has been taken before you even get a chance to spend any.... National insurance ... pensions?... what pensions?! We wont even get one.

Ironically my council tax rises have only been 3% this year under a tory run constituency, and the place where i live is utterly spotless.... can people under labour areas say the same.


Last question, do you work and live by yourself or with others?

People arent richer as a whole - our 'real wealth' in economic terms actually stopped growing in the 1970's.

Also, how can we be richer if taxes have gone up, house prices have gone up, and other prices have went up.... but wages have stayed the same? The only reason some people feel richer is because dvd players cost 20 quid and people feel like being surrounded with consumer goods like cheap tv's, washing machines and george foreman grills is wealth.

Im not going to have a go at you for being a student, 4 years ago i was one. But in all fairness you dont pay any council tax, and im assuming your lifestyle is funded by debt or your parents.... if thats the case then how can you have a grasp on how good the system really is when you arent even paying off all the money you've borrowed... I bet you 10 quid that anyone with a 15k+ loan will be mighty sick of paying that back in times to come when they would rather have that money to spend on something else. I know the 70 quid a month i pay on my tiny loan (3k) would be better off in my wallet.

You might argue that employment is up, but the job market has changed to a 'mcjob' culture where people are taken on and laid off like cattle on low money and with barely any futures they can plan because there are no restrictions on companies shipping work off to other countries ... and the chancellor knows that immigrants are good for inflation and the economy in general because they fill a gap in the market for jobs that nobody else wants to do, or be paid at that level.


Im not arguing that the tories are even any better right now, but the biggest joke i think are political parties who promise the earth... then deliver the same old shite over and over again.

NEW Labour - where?

Wheres our new and improved country? ... Oh... More taxes to pay for me, and bomb scares at Waterloo station on the way to work.... BRILLIANT!

Wishful thinking.

Its already hit 1.1 trillion pounds,... i know people in masses of debt who will continue to pay this off till they are in their mid thirties.

Would they be in this mess if the government had imposed tighter controls on consumer credit... maybe not?

Or maybe they dropped interest rates and kept the economy running smoothly because of september the 11th, and now its 4 years later and everyone is up to their eyeballs owing money and its all a BIIIIIIIG mess.

When your working to pay it off and have to sacrifice going out or buying anything to pay off these loans and debt, then you'll be bothered mate