The future of trance in Newcastle?

hence the last paragraph of my post

doh...good conclusion.... that slipped beyond me.. my bad!

A club. Nights in bars don't make money.

We are pushing for a 2AM license and if you've been down to any of our nights since December you'll admit the venue does feel more like a club than a bar now. We've put in a lot of work.

That's because you are used to Vuzz being a pre-club warm up. That's not the case any more. We could have stayed at Egypt Cottage forever, filling the place week in week out, good banter, good music. But it would never go anywhere. You have to move on eventually otherwise what's the point?

Agreed, it's a difficult city.

You may or may not agree with the direction we are taking but we have to take the night in the direction we want, otherwise there'd be no sense in running it.

We're booking the DJ's people have wanted to see play in Newcastle for ages, we've got a great little venue, and we're keeping the prices as low as we possibly can (both entry price and drinks prices).

The only point made that I kinda agree with on this thread is maybe we did go fortnightly too fast. But only time will tell if that is the case or not...

Shit that was Paul logged in as dave!

Paul/Vuzz,

Keep at it lads. I was really impressd with the set up and proffesionalism of Vuzz on Saturday. Keep pushing for that 2am licence. The venue is good. As already pointed out you have only been at Mono for 6 months. As long as you are not losing daft money and the owners are cool then just keep at it.

Believe in yourselves and your sound. You have all the ingredients there to make it a success. Just be patient.

Good luck.

Not enough people care about new talent.

I find that even people on here, who sometimes criticise Promise for not putting more new talent on, are the same ones who have pictures of the top DJs on their signatures and go on about Promise getting them on, where else they are going to see them etc. You can't have it both ways!

you've hit the nail on the head like Mark.

The thing is if people are wanting/desperate for numbers there is no point putting on the new talent as it wont pull them in.

the new talent should be nurtured at smaller gigs where running it as a business aint such an issue


another problem is that a lot of people are swayed by a voiciferous minority on this board who constantly talk about people like golden scan , armin, pvd etc. at one end of the scale not enough people will have heard of the artist /dj whist at the other end of the scale the big name dj will be asking for too much money. I mean how much is tiesto these days "post olympic games" gig he must cost about 15 grand if not more.

the worst thing any promoter could do is listen to the advice of the promise board

do you not think some peopela re missing the point .

you have to decide early on if you are doing for it business or pleasure. It is a rare occurence (but very/most excellent) if youcan combine the 2.

I am guessing Mark will reply that he has managed both (lucky bar steward)

PS: that comment by Joe is broadly correct. having siad that the board does have its place in the promotiuon of things and I've seen nights like Vibration packed from the wordof mouth off the board

The board is a great marketing tool for both promise and its rivals

but the people who post on it are very cliquey and impressionable, its not a reflection of what newcastle wants - its a reflection of whats cool online... The old school were smarter though we petitioned for halliwell

I think the worst thing anyone could do is listen to the advice of the Promise board for ANYTHING!

what old skool is that then,

old skool from a certain point of view

the thing is i've no doubt promis listens to what people say on here and sometimes tries something out with a dj etc but if they take a chance with new talent and then the club is hardly full they aint going to bow to the vocal people on here again.

if eddie ,jules above and beyond ,lisa lashes is their mission then so be it

me . i'm eagerly awaiting the return of disco noir

PS: heathers advice is better than advice off this board

The old school of the board membership, in this case.

the voice of wisdom, you should Definately be a mod (erator)

BOB. are you called BOB after Black adder calling that young fit girl "BOB" in Blackadder II or some other reason like it stands for brains of britain or buxom or brash

please enlighten me!

Touche

Hardly!

while that may be true short term is not really a great long term plan imo. If you constantly book the big names as they are now then yes u will do well and people will fill the club but before long people will inevitably get bored of the same old names on everytime.

Whereas if you promote some smaller up and coming names, yes the first couple of times on they wont draw such a big crowd but if they are the right choice then word of mouth spreads that these "new stars" are well worth seeing and then the numbers build.

Its all a balancing act between bringing in the numbers and showcasing new talent. Without doing so the clubbing community in the uk will decline. This is where i think the country as a whole is at at the moment. All the big clubs are putting on the same people every week/month and while there are some new clubbers coming through and going to the clubs the older generation are bored and it leaves the whole scene stagnant and dull.

some good points made by DRM there like.

but the clubs are in a catch 22 really. If the scene as a whole were that thriving that they could run every week then they could showcase more new talent but most nights with the exception of a few are now monthly, and its all about pulling in numbers.

Longterm the fixation with big names will be to the detriment of the scene as a whole and dance music as it is today will change drastically. I mean the young uns wont want to be going to see the judge when he is 50 (then again maybe they will)

personally, I would sack all djs and invent a super virtualmixing machine where you can programme all the tracks in, here seamless mixing all night and not pay massive door prices

surely putting on someone like Goldenscan with Jules is the answer to that debate. Then everybody wins.

The up and coming gets heard cos loads have come to see the judge. Then while they're there they think "goldenscan's loads better" etc etc...


As for Vuzz I think its defo going along the right lines with its line-ups. I'm booked in for DJ Precision and Ronski Speed in the coming months Though i do think orbit is correct with when it should be held (middle fri/sat of every month)