Execution video... fake?????

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  1. BRID

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    Execution video... fake?????

    Saw this on another board and although i dont really believe it... its very interesting stuff!!....

    (cut and paste...... now!)

    OK I didnt collect this but its from a post on www.genmay.com

    Here you go:

    "First of all, I know this is largely Pit material, but I feel that news of this caliber deserves the increased exposure of the main forum. Please keep replies intelligent, honest, topical, and free of slander against me. Debate the topic, not the person who brought it up.

    Sources for all my facts can be found at the bottom, they are labeled according to subject.

    That having been said...

    Many of you might remember that I started a thread on the day the video was released noting how "convenient" it was that the tape had come out, just as the Iraqi prisoner abuse scandal was in full swing. Not only did this take the abuse scandal off of headlines, but it swayed public opinion back against "those ****ing Iraqis".

    Evidence

    1) Most people replied by asserting that the execution occured as retribution to the abuse photos that had surfaced, but you have to ask yourself - do these terrorists, who are clearly capable of brainwashing people to the point where they are willing to kill and be killed for their beliefs, really have no concept of political tact? Here they are, the whole world screaming at the US for hypocrisy and injustice over these pictures, and they perform and publish this execution right in the heat of the scandal. In other words, these masters of brainwashing and spin and deception release a video of a despicable act just as the US, their sworn enemy, is being globally grilled. Does this make sense to you?

    2) Second, I wonder what the standard issue chair is at Abu Ghraib prison?

    http://tinyurl.com/2d4qg
    http://tinyurl.com/2keh8


    3) Is it not interesting that the wall colour at Abu Ghraib prison is identical to that of the video?

    4) Is it not also interesting that Berg is wearing the same orange jumpsuit worn by prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison? Sure, you say, perhaps he was kidnapped directly from the prison (as stupid as this sounds, anyway) - but then can you please explain (7)?

    5) Is it also not interesting that the timecodes in the video jump back and forth?

    6) Is it also not interesting that Berg did not exhibit any of the convulsions that typically accompany decapitation? http://www.ahsc.arizona.edu/uac/iacuc/rodents/avma.htm I am suggesting here that Berg was already dead when the decapitation occured (which accounts for 5). Before you go calling me crazy, please review the evidence; why did he not exhibit the convulsions that go hand in hand with decapitation (especially such an extended one)?

    7) Is it not curious that the US denies contact with Berg, and yet his friends and family insist that he told them he was being held by the US? Huh? Why?

    8) Another tape oddity - the men SPEAK RUSSIAN for several seconds. Not only that, but they speak Arabic with Russian accents. That's right, in the final seconds of the tape, one of the men speaks in Russian. Those here who understand russian (and have the stomach to view that final seconds of the video) can verify this. Those who speak Arabic will be able to verify that these men speak Arabic in Russian accents.

    9) Finally (the physical evidence that will convince you in case you already aren't)...
    You will notice, in watching the video, that 6 times, a gold ring flashes on the hand of the executioner. What is the problem? Islam completely and utterly forbids men to wear gold rings. This fanatical muslim, willing to kill in a gutwrenching manner, and be killed for his beliefs, is violating one of the clear prohibitions of his religion? Really? DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO YOU?

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    Two more points:

    10) Nick Berg understands Arabic, but sits calmy while statement is read, waiting to be killed. Hmm?

    11) One of the executioners is wearing Air Jordans. WHAT?

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    12) The "terrorists" signed the video, yet they wear hoods and masks. Why?

    13) The "terrorists" have lily white hands.

    14) The video time is in US Military English. What the hell?

    Conclusion
    As many has suspected, but have not had the time to build a solid case for, the execution of Nick Berg was performed by coalition interests (most likely independent Russian mercenaries) in order to dwarf the abuse pictures and sway public opinion back against the Iraqis and in support of the war by taking advantage of the emotional reaction we all experience when hearing of such an despicable act. The poor production quality (all the "curiosities" I have pointed out) of this video can be attributed to the haste in which it was made after the order was given to distract the public from the abuse scandal, and is in line with my conclusion.

    Again, before you attack my conclusion, attack my evidence. No matter how crazy you think this sounds, examine the evidence objectively and please try to deny a single thing I have said. If you cannot deny my evidence, you logically cannot deny my conclusion. Make your replies free of subjective opinions and ad hominem attacks or I will not reply to them.


    Sources:

    Chair, wall, timecode, and :
    http://tinyurl.com/3cjha
    http://tinyurl.com/2pu22

    Berg was in US custody:
    http://tinyurl.com/24xtq
    (you'll have to copy & paste this one since genmay blocks cnn links as you know)

    Gold rings forbidden by Islam:
    http://tinyurl.com/2s4bg
    http://tinyurl.com/226ns "

    This was front page news on some US news papers.. do you think they will resign ??

    Please look at all the PICs and evidence before you reply.
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    Where is this video?
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    .... just to make sure... i only wrote the first two lines of my post.. the rest is cut and paste as i forewarned! :)
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    This is riddled with assumption and fiction:

    1. This is a very silly arguement, retirbution is common place in this conflict. This has nothing to do with a diversion and everything to do with avenging the mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners...

    2,3,4. Would the US military really be so foolish as to excute the man in a jumpsuit and deckchair that could be directly linked to them.... A lot more thought would go into something which would obviously have such a sickening effect on the western world.

    6. I don't know enough about the field, but I'm sure if he wasn't responding properly officials all over the world would be raising this.

    7. The Iraqi's held him, the US were aware of this.. As soon as his family filed a law suit he was released the next day. Whether the US had contact or not is inconsequential.

    8. Berg spoke poor arabic, staff at hotels he stayed at remember him saying he'd like to learn arabic.

    8. Aljazeera state the accents are: Egyptian or Iranian, not Russian - although there is a strong muslim militant presence is russia becuase of the whole chechyan thing - so to find russian speaking islamic militant wouldn't be that unusual.

    9. Iraq had christian, muslim and yazidis religions... Large numbers of these people will be anti-coalition, this could explain the ring... The Qur'an can be interpretted in many ways and it forbids male jewelry as a medium for showing off wealth the ring could represent something other than wealth.. As for air jordans - thats just silly - I've seen kids in ethopia wearing them - Iraq was a very wealthy nation.

    Its very easy to think up conspiracy theories - but in reality if it was a US propoganda video far more attention to detail would of been made.

    It seems a little far fetched.
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    steakandcheese website
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    will u pm me the link please..
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    i ment a link leading to the part of the site which contained the video...
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    very interesting! :eek: :confused: I dont know what to believe!
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    The video isnt very clear:confused:
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    Maybe it was a clever double bluff by the Iraqi's trying to make it look like a fake when it was real!? you never know! :p
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    That video was gruesome:evil:
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    They can hardly book a fully equipped studio can they. But the rumour is they did sit down afterwards & they were also unhappy with the quality & were willing to do a reshoot but the star of the show was gone.
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    long one on kazaa is clearer well than another i sore see enough :( :s


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    This is no laughing matter I:mad: ;) :p
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    I wasnt laughing
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    he wasnt struggling much mind..
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    He was pinned down
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    Four Arrested Over Iraq Execution

    Four people have been arrested over the beheading of American Nicholas Berg, Iraq sources say.The 26-year-old businessman's decapitated body was found 10 days ago in Baghdad.His killing was shown around the world on the internet.

    The poor quality website video showed Berg dressed in orange overalls kneeling on the floor with his hands tied back.

    There were five masked men behind him. One read a statement urging Muslims to take revenge over the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by American soldiers.

    The masked men then pushed the American contractor to the floor and shouted "God is greatest" above his screams.

    His head was cut off with a knife and then held aloft.

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