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  1. Neil Buckley

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    Re: Re: Trouble in Iraq !!!

    And im not talking about the whole country of iraq !!
    Just the bastards who obviously couldnt give 2 shits about peace!!!
    And yeah they say that on the telly or radio but knowone knows what they are really like,
    You have seen evan the kids walking around with guns e.c.t!
    Neil Buckley, May 12, 2004
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  2. Neil Buckley

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Trouble in Iraq !!!

    I know mate im not branding all arabs as i have obviously not given the correct points accross but i am talking about the ones which do cause dissruption and chaos Then cry when they are ill treated.

    Neil
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    Re: Re: Re: Trouble in Iraq !!!

    What the fuck do you mean "how dare I"??? Who the fuck do you think you are??

    I call you narrow minded cos you come across as narrow minded, that how "I dare" as you put it!!!!

    If you've got a problem with that then tough fucking shit
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  4. Neil Buckley

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Trouble in Iraq !!!

    Get your facts right before you start slagging off!
    You dont know me from shit and i am all for peace, e.c.t If i can explain myself better than before.
    Its the ones that cause all the problems then cries

    Neil
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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Trouble in Iraq !!!

    But how do you know that the Iraqi POW's are ones that would cause bother. Chances are they're just honest soldiers
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    Re: Re: Trouble in Iraq !!!

    Some of the most sensible views in that article come from muslims...

    as a religion that should empbrace peace it shows that all muslims cannot be tarred with the same brush :up:
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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Trouble in Iraq !!!

    Well if thats the case.. Fair enough, My argument is arabs which do cause problems and then cry when ill treated

    You have to agree with that
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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Trouble in Iraq !!!

    Some arabs cause problems. As do some christians, jews, hindus, athiests etc... it is not a sole arab problem.

    The reasons why these people are commiting atrocities have to be taken into account... they are going a disgraceful way about being heard and tarnishing a peaceful religion, but they are the exception, not the rule :)
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    Unforunately, the problem with Islam, as anyone who has studied the Koran will tell you, is that it actively insights violence. It is a religion that teaches to use violence and technically those who do not actually use violence are not actually followin the Koran, so really you are either a violent muslim extremist or you are not following your religion properly! :confused:
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    Thats not entirely true... the original teachings of Islam are very peaceful. The Muslim faith is not a violent one. However, interpretations of the Qu'ran can be misleading. Tjis is the same with the Torah and the Bible... "eye for and eye, tooth for a tooth" ;)
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    :rolleyes: easy! :p

    That was in the Old Testament we are living under the new convernant :) it says in the New Testament that you should not be violent.

    As for the Koran iv not studied it myself but how can you interpret something peaceful into something that incites violence? :confused:
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    On your first point... you are preaching to the converted ;)

    Your second point... its a difficult one but its been done for centuries... the crusades are an example of christians mis-interpreting the bible. It is perfectly possible for muslims to do the same. Also, I read up on islam about a year ago and unfortunately I forgot most of what I learned but the history, beginnings, teachings etc are not violent and in fact oppose violence. The scriptures teach of past struggles... when this is interpreted it can be seen to represent what should happen in the present, of course this is not neccessarily so :)
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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Trouble in Iraq !!!

    looked very much to me like you were talking about all arabs in your first post, and I wasn't the only one took it that way. If as you say you were just talking about the people actually doing the chopping off off heads then no problem, I retract what I said and apologise.

    now, about you calling me a dick and a wanker?
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    I apologise for calling you a Dick and Wanker!!

    Neil:wink:
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    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Trouble in Iraq !!!

    guess this board has got my "narrow minded bigot" sensitivity turned way up ;)
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    :king::lol::lol::lol: not 'arf! :wink:
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    The Qur'an passages that are the cause of fear throughout the christian world are:

    "When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters (non-Muslims) wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent (convert) and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful."
    "Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends. They are friends with one another. Whoever of you seeks their friendship shall become one of their number. God does not guide the wrongdoers."

    Now that could be percieved as incredibly evil if you weren't to read the bible:

    "And God said - Those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them - bring them here and kill them in front of me. "
    "God is a man of war "
    "Blessed are the dead who die in God, for they shall have rest in their labors. "
    "He is dressed in robe dipped in blood and his name is the word of God. "
    "God delivered him over to us and we struck him down, together with his sons and his whole army. At that time we took all his towns and completely destroyed them - men, women, and children. We left no survivors... God gave us all of them. "

    In reality both religions are peaceful religions and it is manipulation and misinterpretation of these teaching that lead to fundamentalism... Islam comes from the word Salaam which means peace, it is a very peaceful religion... Just as christianity is.
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    No doubt those religions can be interpreted and followed in peaceful (as christians have learned to through alot of bloodshed in the past) ways.... the problem is that we have morons using religion as a means of mind control for ruling people, recruiting young people into terrorism, oppressing women etc etc TODAY.

    Many of the Arab states are, have and will be ruled in this manner and in a way that incites terrorism and war - The question is do we let them get on with it,... or hope they eventually elect leaders or systems that dont put such great emphasis on it.

    The problem with comparing christianity and its tendancies towards violence is that the west dispensed with using it to rule our lives in such a massive way a long time ago. Hippocritical i know that nobody was around in a position to complain when "we" were imperialising our way around the earth but its not as cut and dry and you make it out.

    No... i havent turned tricks on my stance on things, but as much as we can deal with the symptoms of the problems right now... there has to be something long term we have to work towards if we stand any chance of peace in this world.... This whole issue of religion/terrorism/opression is something we have to face as a real issue.
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    The anti-islam sentiment in this thread could very easily be put down to christian fundamentalism and its propoganda....

    You sit there and say we have evolved while they are still in the dark ages... Yet Bush blesses the troops before they go into to battle and it is our armies in their homeland... not vice-versa...

    I think neither is worse... Westerners are prepared to die for god and capitalism, Muslims are prepared to die for islam.... Tell me how one is "eviler".

    In reality duality doesn't work - there is never just black and white - we aren't good and they aren't evil - it is far more complex.
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    Whether or not we evolved depends on who you talk to and/or what the basis for evolution is.

    I know you've shot down many people in flames for making the lazy statement that we're "better" than "them" for x,y,z.... If anything they have a better system of social responsibility and family values - but its easy to see their failings just as much as we can see our strengths and weaknesses.

    If anything we should look to countries like Japan to see how you can blend non violent progression as a race, but still maintain standards, and even allow religion to be practiced in a way which doesnt oppress people.

    Im not saying that example is perfect (and im sure you could pick out 100 holes in my example) but its easy to see that both sides have very obvious failings in all this.

    We shouldnt be afraid to criticise both sides in all this - perhaps that is the way forward rather than taking such obvious right or leftie stances in everything.
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