Is Robbie a sign of things to come?

also it can stop u feeling pain so u mite hurt yourself

Can u give me statistics ot back this up?

I don't promote or condone ket in any shape or form... but it was my understanding that ket only became highly dangerous when mixed with respiratory depressants (alcohol, valium, etc.)

there arent actually that many purely ecstasy related deaths a year though are there?

to a degree... I have done ket and hurt myself many times as I'm sure most this board have...

i brb triing to find some figures

WHat are you talking about - no1's questioning that you may do stupid stuff, like you would if under the influence of alcohol... we're talking about the physical and mental risks.

Titch don't confuse geebee with ket

Thats because like ketamine, mdma is a relativly safe drug when used correctly.

saying that tho...who hasnt hurt themselves while pissed up or chewed off the inside of their mouth?

u gotta be careful with it tho: mixing with alcohol/other drugs=not a good idea, a good idea at the time, but not in the long run

i can agree with ya there like a bit.... i bet there aint one person on this board who aint not hurt them selves when being just drunk for example?? xx

here we go found this

"We reviewed all ketamine-positive deaths (87) examined at the New York City Office of Chief Medical Examiner over a year long period (1998 to 1999). There were 15 non-hospital deaths with 12 due to acute multidrug intoxications, one due to sarcoidosis, and two due to physical injury (blunt and thermal). 72 were a fatal intoxication caused exclusively by ketamine. The race of all decedents was white and the majority were men (11/15) between the ages of 18 and 30 years"

other way round. BAD(very) idea at the time but doesn't change the long term effects.

Titch that figure is meaningless - it just says positive... I'm not questioning when ket is mixed with say alcohol it killls... I'm on about ketamine.

Can you find any statistics that will back up your comment that ketamine kills... When mixed its lethal but on its own it is considered by many medical opinions to be a relativly safe drug.

i wouldn't take this as gospel cos its not been published properly, but it's been cited in a few articles that have, so there's prob some good in it...


the ketamine konundrum...



but like a lot of drugs its effects will be subject specific...

nah i meant at the time u think 'way i'll av a drink' or 'way i'll have a pill' then the next day ur like oooooooooooooooooo or in a few years your like 'who am i'

joe read it properly b 4 you comment. it says

"72 were a fatal intoxication caused exclusively by ketamine"

probs found where titch found his stuff... but put into a lit review, i read that out of 67 cases from a nyc hospital none were ket on its own...

but due to the fact that most people use ket when they also have other stuff inside them shouldn't it be the effect of all these drugs as a whole that is reseached, cos thats the probs we will actually be faced with in the real world...

ok thats really badly phrased but there is a valid point in there somewhere...

blah blah....whatever...just dont do drungs.

if u need them on a night out to have fun, u are a boring person, or have boring friends, or u r listening to the wrong music.

nobody NEEDS them on a nite out...they just make u feel proper nice sometimes and can ENHANCE the nite.

I think most of the stats on ket are of it combined with other things cos hat's what ppl do: how many ppl does every1 know who JUST takes ket in a club and nowt else.
People i know who do it cut it with coke: CK1

lol doh :d

can you show me where you got that?

Just it contradicts everything I've ever read... My guess is its american government bs as they go for the scare factor when tlkaing about drugs... you should read some fo the shit they write about pills