Beatmatching question

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  1. BRID

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    Beatmatching question

    I dunno if its just me, but sometimes i have some tunes that with a .02% pitch accuracy just wont stay together very long. Denon and Pioneer all have 0.02% pitch accuracy on their DJ'ing hardware which i find a bit strange.

    Like, say i have a tune on 1.2 and it drifts BACK when its matched against the first tune, but then on 1.4 it drifts FORWARD..... This might only happen to me with one in 20 tunes, but it does my head right in.

    .... is this just the name of the game with some tunes and to be expected, or is there anything else i can do. Surely the 'big dj's' are all using the same hardware and same tunes (or are they?)

    With all DJ'ing being more or less digital these days (for buying tunes), you would think most people would master their tunes bang on a decent bpm figure so that you wouldnt get this problem? I wouldnt imagine their would be any more pitch variations like you would get in old vinyl to digital copies either... no?

    For what its worth, i run all my tunes through Platinum notes which is supposed to correct things to be perfectly on tempo and pitch (and gain) but it only ever tells me that maybe one in every 15-20 tunes ever needs tempo correction.

    ............. am i asking too much to be able to have a tune kept in time for over a minute, without the most minor of corrections?
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  3. Earl Grey

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    i think the words you are looking for are 'skill'

    i dont have it , so dont be sad :)
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    I have this all the time particularly with older tracks mate, as Earl said it is a skill, hearing a track drift & being able to sort it out within that split second is a fine art.

    New tracks are nearly always mastered professionally, so you shouldn't really be having the above problem, however there are still a few out there that hit a roll or break for example & loose that 0.01% which in turn slowly starts to knock it out of sync.

    Most trance labels I.e. Discover, are all mastered the same BPM, most producers that are mates with other producers I.e. Downey, Askew, Patters etc.. will all make there stuff the same speed too. Logical way when you think really.

    However, I wouldn't fanny on with all these programmes to correct the pitch etc... just warp your tracks through Ableton if it's doing your head in that much & you'll never have a problem again :)
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    that is seriously fucking gay


    If you think modern tunes are hard to mix then try some of the early chicago house stuff, the loops are ridiculously loose...proper shambles after a few pints :lol:
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    or the Trax on da Rocks tunes by Thomas "I think i'll change the track . . . . . now!" Bangalter :lol:
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    yes , i expireince this also after many e's . theres some mad shit about from years ago , on vinyl to , so even harder to mix , but im an oldcunt in a modern world so il step out here :wink:
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    loads of us still play records :)
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    im buzzin for ya :)
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    could be that the motor that is making the cd turn around can not be completely accurate 100% of the time?

    i recently started doing a funk, soul and disco mix early doors on saturday nights, that is some fun shit to mix :)
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    Why did I picture you just saying that with one hand on your hip, pointing a finger with the other.


    **Shudders**
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    Because you stood outside my window watching me do it?
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    :lol: :lol:
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    a lot of the guys here in holland now digitally programme thier music to find bpm to the nearest .1 of a beat and re-record it at that speed,this gives you the option of having numerous cd's with nearly all your music running at almost perfect bpm.so the skill is pressing the cue button at precisely the right time.
    the worlds so-called no1 dj once turned up here with 2 memory sticks and all tracks were set at 130bpm,an easy set for €5000 an hour.
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    depends how the tracks been set in its swing IMO, might be the producers on a mad one or it might have just been made that way. regardless tho - you could just hoy it in ableton. even tho i've tried it before it never seems to get it 100% right. i fucking hate abletons warp function sometimes tho :cry:

    you plank :lol:
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    who is also a massive plank IMO
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    Hhahahaha .... I was bracing myself for a response like that ;)

    Theres nowt a man can do if the tempo on a tune does that, apart from maybe finding other tunes with similar tempos that are 'off' (well, fall at a point there 0.02 causes problems with other tunes) .......... or by dancing with the devil and using software.

    Pitch bending is the obvious answer, but i always did wonder if this was something that was to be expected or whether i really did just lack the MAD SKILLS :)
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    Yeah i've heard about the thing that discover does..... So you can turn up anywhere and dont actually even need to beatmatch but only make sure your tunes are on the same pitch on the CDJ.

    I suppose theres very little difference between doing that and using software to keep a tune in time, especially if most trance tunes that these guys play out are around the same bpm's anyways.

    I'd be interesting to know how far it goes with other things as well, like with loops and cue points all set and the like .... Especially when you hear how dead on 'perfect' some people sound when they are playing out.
  20. Gary Proud

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    If I go out & see a DJ layering tracks with other tracks, manipulating sounds/his set & is constantly hands on, knowing that he can only do this due to having free'd up that little bit time bit taking away the beatmatching element, then I certainly wouldn't have a problem.

    Makes me laugh how some people are still so stubborn to new technology & ways of DJ'ing. Theres no point in cutting your hands of & restricting yourself to one format when theres so much out there to be explored thats so easily available to the Bedroom DJ in these days? You'll end up becoming stuck in time almost.

    I still love playing records but equally enjoy learning new programmes & different techniques. I've just recently moved from CD's to Traktor as I became really bored with the whole CD function of DJ'ing, I wish id done it so much earlier now, it's opened up a whole new level of creativity, something you just cant get with records & CD's alone.

    Vinyl is like your 1st girlfreind. You'll always have a place for it in your heart, deep down you know you'll be stepping back in time if you wanted a dabble, but you cant help it as it feels nice.
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    With chicago and acid house i try to mix tunes by the same person who mastered them as they tend to stay in more.

    Mixing Acid house oldschool rave Chicago house and old italo disco, has made me a much better dj as i find modern house/techno much with its 16 bar intro some much easyier to mix.

    Oldschool Rave is by far the hardest music to mix correctly as its all over the place and rarely fits to a correct pattern.

    Thats why i cut those kinds of records before up to find where they sinc up then drop the tracks in togeather and blending them out.

    Aphex Twins stuff is even more insane.

    But on cdj's you should really no problem as they hardly drift compared to technics.Unless the tracks arre made AT 120.45 bpm I know aphex does this but would not imagine house producers do it.

    To me i will also use at least one technic while mixing as the sound quality is better and i have lot records that you can not get on digital format. I may go over to tractor or cdjs when i have more money but i just love the sound and feel of records.

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