Democracy

and at 25 pages i do believe that this thread may be finally closed!! lol!! xxx

ok, you carry on thinking that's the difference between fact and opinion I'm not gonna waste any more time trying to explain

I'm glad i did'nt get involved in this one

me to mate, me to

is it?????

how do you know?

we have it on our coco pops for breakie!

thank god

Your opinion, when compared to facts, is wrong. admit it. I dont think your opinion is wrong, i know it is wrong, it is scientifically proven that your view on what an instinct is, is wrong.
our survey says: EH UH!

FACT
n.
Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.
Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.
A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case.
Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.
A thing that has been done, especially a crime: an accessory before the fact.

OPINION
n.
A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: “The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion” (Elizabeth Drew).
A judgment based on special knowledge and given by an expert: a medical opinion.
A judgment or estimation of the merit of a person or thing: has a low opinion of braggarts.
The prevailing view: public opinion.

theres been loads of studies done by psychologists about instinctive (inate) & learned bahaviours..

i cud post a whole study about it but the majority of the reading you's wud do...wud have no relevance or wud bore you's so i won't....

this is what psychologists have stated about innate or instinctive behaviour....

instinct, term used generally to indicate an innate tendency to action, or pattern of behavior, elicited by specific stimuli and fulfilling vital needs of an organism. Examples of almost purely instinctive behavior are found in the behavior of many lower animals, in which activity (often quite complex) is performed that is not based upon past experience, e.g., reproductive and food-gathering activity in insects. Instinctive behavior generally acts as an initiator or triggering mechanism to arouse the organism, and it is modified by learned behavior as well as innate regulatory mechanisms. For example, nest-building by birds is a complex activity triggered by instinctive drives and modified by environmental conditions, such as the availability of materials and sites. Among animals, fixed patterns of instinctive behavior include fighting, courtship behavior, and escape; even these can usually be shown to be modified by experience (see ethology). Freud used the term instinct when referring to human motivational forces, such as sex and aggression. Sociobiologists and ethologists such as Konrad Lorenz have sought to understand social behaviors in terms of instincts, among humans as well as other animals. The usage of the term among psychologists has largely died out; today, motivational forces among humans are generally referred to as instinctual drives.


i'll try to hunt out what it says bout learned behaviours & post it later!!

a study by baldwin in 1896 showed that because of evolution some learned behaviours are now instinctive behaviours!!

Ruth to my understanding the Baldwin effect would only arm us with the ability to learn a language, as language evolution is out of the scope of natural selection mainly because of its disfunctional nature the ability to learn a language is a learnt instinct...

But for Snack to assume that SPAG are instinctive is insane.

lol my favourite film quote of all time:

"You paid $150,000 for an education that you could have gotten at the public library for $1.50 in late fees"

i ain't looked at any balwin studies for a few years now joe but i did a quick search & came up with what i said above...

theres loads of dif theories on innate & learned behaviour....tis true some learned behaviours are now innate but language isn't ever likely to be one of them...otherwise we would be automatically be able to speak & more than likely speak more than one language fluently!